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Breaking the Budwig Rules
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Barb
Re: Breaking the Budwig procotol rules
I assume she meant 'before' cancer disappeared, otherwise she is saying once you have cancer you must eat fso/cc in said amounts your whole life or else you will rapidly go back into cancer??? Just wondering. I have't read her books. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! |
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As far as I know, once you have cancer, you must use fo/cc for -life-.
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In fact, the doctor who introduced me to the budwig protocol told me of a ptient he once had. That patient was put on the budwig diet, amongst other things, and went into remission. Then he had to go to europe for 4 weeks, and he figured "hey, what the heck, I can drop this stuff for 4 weeks". The doctor told him not to do that, as he is risking a recurrance. Two weeks after he came back from his trip, he died. At least, so goes the story the doctor told me :) From what I have read/seen/understood, budwig is for life. (pun intended) simon --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Barb <barb1283@y...> wrote:
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max
I believe Cliff reported many such cases he knew of in an earlier post. Perhaps this indicates that FO/CC should be used together with another modality like beta-glucan
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so that the results are more permanent, whether the protocol is followed or not after remission is obtained. Max ----- Original Message -----
From: "smoon235" <smoon235@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 12:32 PM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules As far as I know, once you have cancer, you must use fo/cc for -life-. |
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I differ from that statement; According to what I have read you must remain on the Budwig Diet for 5 yrs. (Short time to rebuild a lifetime damage.) Yet, if we had to stay on it for life.. it should not be such a hard thing to do.
Quote from cancer.org "According to Dr. Budwig, you need to remain on this diet for a good 5 years. If you break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie. eating preserved meats, candy, etc), the tumors will sometimes grow rapidly worse." Bori smoon235 <smoon235@...> wrote: As far as I know, once you have cancer, you must use fo/cc for -life-. In fact, the doctor who introduced me to the budwig protocol told me of a ptient he once had. That patient was put on the budwig diet, amongst other things, and went into remission. Then he had to go to europe for 4 weeks, and he figured "hey, what the heck, I can drop this stuff for 4 weeks". The doctor told him not to do that, as he is risking a recurrance. Two weeks after he came back from his trip, he died. At least, so goes the story the doctor told me :) From what I have read/seen/understood, budwig is for life. (pun intended) simon --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Barb <barb1283@y...> wrote: Re: Breaking the Budwig procotol rules --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! |
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Wilhelm Hansen
Bori,
I agree with your position on this. Wilhelm I differ from that statement; According to what I have read you must remain on the Budwig Diet for 5 yrs. (Short time to rebuild a lifetime damage.) Yet, if we had to stay on it for life.. it should not be such a hard thing to do. Quote from cancer.org "According to Dr. Budwig, you need to remain on this diet for a good 5 years. If you break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie. eating preserved meats, candy, etc), the tumors will sometimes grow rapidly worse." Bori |
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Thanks Wilhem
Wilhelm Hansen <wilhelmh@...> wrote:Bori, I agree with your position on this. Wilhelm I differ from that statement; According to what I have read you must remain on the Budwig Diet for 5 yrs. (Short time to rebuild a lifetime damage.) Yet, if we had to stay on it for life.. it should not be such a hard thing to do. Quote from cancer.org "According to Dr. Budwig, you need to remain on this diet for a good 5 years. If you break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie. eating preserved meats, candy, etc), the tumors will sometimes grow rapidly worse." Bori Note: The contents of the posts on FlaxSeedOil2 are purely educational and are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! |
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rifle147620
Wilhelm and All,
When talking about "getting off the Budwig diet" we can lose sight from the central idea of why we are on the diet in the first place. We tend to concentrate on the afliction we are experiencing and that is normal. We may forget what the diet is intended to do. The Budwig diet, Gerson therapy, any natural successful approach to disease is not cancer, heart infraction, etc specific. They address the compromised IMMUNE system that allowed the affliction in the first place and the immune system addresses the disease. A compromised immune system is in the majority of cases due to diet. There is very little we can do about tumors, etc on our own but can do everything about diet hence repair the immune system. The immune system will then address anything "foreign" or harmful to the body but if greatly impaired it cannot do what it was designed to do. For ongoing good health and "curing" incurable diseases the immune system must be restored and maintained. THAT IS THE GOAL. How long does that take? Dr. Gerson felt that the liver was the center of the immune system and on his greatly intensified therapy from 2 to 3 years to rebuild the liver. Dr. Budwig, with no specific comment that I know of, on her diet 5 years. Both experienced the sad reality that some after starting the diets, have felt good and returned to former eating habits and then the attempt to resume the diets proved to be impossible. If as an example one has a life threatening cancer, would start the diet and find after a short while that cancer can no longer be found in the body does not mean they are "out the woods" so to speak. There is reason to rejoice because it is an indication the immune system can be repaired. However it is only the start not a point for thinking of straying from the diet. There are a few individuals with immune systems so compromised that they cannot be saved even from the start. That is a fact of life. This is not new to any of us but meant as a reminder. We all have to "count the cost" in life in anything we do. It is comforting to know that the vast majority can take matters in their own hands, rebuild their immune systems and heal diseases no matter how sick they may be. It does take understanding what one must do and the will to carry it to the end. When thinking of "getting off the Budwig diet" or cheating think immune system...immune system..immune system and what setbacks you may do to it. We should do everything we can do to enhance the immune system. This we can do. Also the question that begs to be answered, why go back to a diet that brought on the problem? Nelson --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Boricua <workboricua@y...> wrote: Thanks Wilhemmust remain on the Budwig Diet for 5 yrs. (Short time to rebuild a lifetime damage.) Yet, if we had to stay on it for life.. it should not be such a hard thing to do. good 5 years. If you break the rules of this diet, Dr Budwig reports, (ie. eating preserved meats, candy, etc), the tumors will sometimes grow rapidly worse." and are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Service.
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max
But why not go to any other healthy diet. It need not be the
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Budwig diet. Max ----- Original Message -----
From: "rifle147620" <NDoucet@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules Wilhelm and All,not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Wilhelm Hansen
Good post Nelson.
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I have a few comments. You are right in stressing the immune system. It is no doubt of vital importance to stay healthy, to fight pathogens, toxins and disease when it has taken hold. The Budwig Diet does lay the basis for proper immune system functioning, but it is not only about the immune system. The immune system can only function properly if the body, i.e. cells, glands, lymphatic system, mucus membranes , etc. are in good shape. This is where the Budwig Diet comes in. The most basic thing that the Budwig Diet does is to restore the compromised oxygen uptake capability of the cells which begins by restoring the impaired oxygen transport capability of the blood. Everything else depends on that. As they say: You can live without food for a few weeks, without drink for a few days but without oxygen only for a few minutes. Therefore, if the body cannot properly utilize the oxygen that is made available by the lungs, it goes downhill fast. Oxygen is the most needed commodity, more so than any other nutrient. Insufficient oxygen causes cancer as Dr. Otto Warburg found out in the 1930s. Oxygen infusion (respirator) will not help as the conditions are not right to utilize it. According to Dr.Budwig, it will only hasten the demise. Dr.Budwig found the answer to the problem by providing the body with the highly unsaturated fatty acids combined with sulphurated proteins, and by identifying the fats, "foods" and substances to avoid. In her book "Das Fettsyndrom" Dr.Budwig only devotes 2 pages out of about 175 pages to the immune system, 3 to skin, 4 to liver, gall bladder, pancreas, 6 to blood, 35 to growth and malignant growth, etc. Therefore, if we want to describe the Budwig Protocol, I think it is best to give a broader picture of it than only covering the immune system regardless of it's undisputed importance. We have so many sceptics out there who will be quick to conclude: Oh, in that case I can take an immune system enhancer in place of the Budwig Protocol or in addition to it. After all, there are many websites, sellers and pushers offering a great variety of such supplements at great cost. While some of them may be good, many of them are a waste of money, and some may even interfere with the Budwig Protocol. One of the sad things about Dr.Budwig, in addition to having been blacklisted and persecuted as she was, is that she never had an internet presence like Drs. Gerson, Rath and a host of others. I am sure things would have changed dramatically if she would have had. Many of the misconceptions and arguments would have been properly dealt with. As it stands, there are only a very few sites who devote themselves to her protocol without using it to push their own products. As you know, Dr.Budwig had an outstanding success rate with her method without using any supplements (except nutritional yeast flakes). Wilhelm ----- Original Message -----
From: rifle147620 To: FlaxSeedOil2@... Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:27 AM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules Wilhelm and All, When talking about "getting off the Budwig diet" we can lose sight from the central idea of why we are on the diet in the first place. We tend to concentrate on the afliction we are experiencing and that is normal. We may forget what the diet is intended to do. The Budwig diet, Gerson therapy, any natural successful approach to disease is not cancer, heart infraction, etc specific. They address the compromised IMMUNE system that allowed the affliction in the first place and the immune system addresses the disease. A compromised immune system is in the majority of cases due to diet. There is very little we can do about tumors, etc on our own but can do everything about diet hence repair the immune system. The immune system will then address anything "foreign" or harmful to the body but if greatly impaired it cannot do what it was designed to do. For ongoing good health and "curing" incurable diseases the immune system must be restored and maintained. THAT IS THE GOAL. How long does that take? Dr. Gerson felt that the liver was the center of the immune system and on his greatly intensified therapy from 2 to 3 years to rebuild the liver. Dr. Budwig, with no specific comment that I know of, on her diet 5 years. Both experienced the sad reality that some after starting the diets, have felt good and returned to former eating habits and then the attempt to resume the diets proved to be impossible. If as an example one has a life threatening cancer, would start the diet and find after a short while that cancer can no longer be found in the body does not mean they are "out the woods" so to speak. There is reason to rejoice because it is an indication the immune system can be repaired. However it is only the start not a point for thinking of straying from the diet. There are a few individuals with immune systems so compromised that they cannot be saved even from the start. That is a fact of life. This is not new to any of us but meant as a reminder. We all have to "count the cost" in life in anything we do. It is comforting to know that the vast majority can take matters in their own hands, rebuild their immune systems and heal diseases no matter how sick they may be. It does take understanding what one must do and the will to carry it to the end. When thinking of "getting off the Budwig diet" or cheating think immune system...immune system..immune system and what setbacks you may do to it. We should do everything we can do to enhance the immune system. This we can do. Also the question that begs to be answered, why go back to a diet that brought on the problem? Nelson |
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Wilhelm Hansen
Max,
you have been sceptical in many of your past posts - a regular doubting Thomas - lol. If you know what healthy diet to replace the Budwig Diet with you may be fine. Most people don't know. They don't or won't even use the proper Budwig Protocol in the first place. Of course if a person is healthy and if that person is using a truly healthy diet and lifestyle, things will likely be great and guard against degenerative health. If a person has come down with cancer however, the rules change. A much greater concentration on diet and lifestyle is then required to turn things around. But I will tell you what - you change your diet to what you think is right and then let us know how you are doing... there is a catch to it though... from what I remember you don't have cancer, so it is not the greatest experiment in your case. Stay well, Wilhelm But why not go to any other healthy diet. It need not be the Budwig diet. Max |
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max
Wilhelm
As far as I know, I do not have significant malignancy at this moment, so I am not making any dietary changes. But I appreciate your insight into the need for changes when malignancy occurs. Max From: "Wilhelm Hansen" <wilhelmh@...> To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:20 AM Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules Max, |
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Barb
What is 'beta-glucan'?
Thanks, Barb ..> From: "max" <max@...> Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules I believe Cliff reported many such cases he knew of in an earlier post. Perhaps this indicates that FO/CC should be used together with another modality like beta-glucan so that the results are more permanent, whether the protocol is followed or not after remission is obtained. Max __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! |
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Beta-glucan is a substance present in foods such as brewer`s yeast and fungi, notably Chinese mushrooms ("dong gu", or known as "shi take" in Japanese). Some studies at a US university have shown it can stimulate the monoclonal antibodies of the immune system to recognize and destroy cancer cells which they normally do not recognize. There are lots of webpages from "alternative" cancer practioners selling beta-glucan supplements, and one recently even published a detailed case history of a patient who obtained remission. Here in Japan, Juntendo University has apparently been looking into it, and the food giant "Ajinomoto" has seen fit to start producing highly active beta-glucan in the form of a liquid concentrate. It tastes just like "shi take" and is not unpleasant, but it is very expensive. The US versions are much cheaper. Max ----- Original Message -----
From: "Barb" <barb1283@...> To: "fso" <FlaxSeedOil2@...> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 3:30 AM Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules What is 'beta-glucan'? |
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knuj_gse
I read somewhere that a common source of beta glucans (depending on
where you live) is oats/oatmeal. Chemically speaking, beta glucans are just glucose molecules connected by a beta link between carbon atom 1 of one molecule to carbon atom 4 of the next. The action on the immune system would be to mimic cell walls of pathogens. It would be the same action achieved by other sugars like mannose (aloe vera gel, yeast, coconuts), rhamnose (apple rind), trehalose (mushrooms), N-acetyl glucosamine and N-acetyl galactosamine. These sugars occupy receptor sites in macrophages (antigen presenting cells in the gut), stimulating these cells to produce chemokines/cytokines (interleukins, interferons, tumor necrosis factor alpha) that stimulate the immune system as a whole. Of course, this is only stimulus. The response of the immune system would require proteins. Gerry --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "max" <max@2...> wrote: Barbaratake" in Japanese). Some studies at a US university have shown itconcentrate. It tastes just like "shi take" and is not unpleasant, but it is veryexpensive. The US versions are much cheaper. |
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Barb,
For what I read.. it is a very good Immmune enhancer also. Bori Barb <barb1283@...> wrote: What is 'beta-glucan'? Thanks, Barb ..> From: "max" <max@...> Re: Breaking the Budwig Rules I believe Cliff reported many such cases he knew of in an earlier post. Perhaps this indicates that FO/CC should be used together with another modality like beta-glucan so that the results are more permanent, whether the protocol is followed or not after remission is obtained. Max __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! Note: The contents of the posts on FlaxSeedOil2 are purely educational and are not intended to diagnose or treat any illness. Always consult your doctor about the diagnosis and treatment of health problems. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: FlaxSeedOil2-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! |
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rifle147620
Beta glugan is commonly found and extracted from yeast, barley, oats,
and mushrooms. The supplent is in a concentrated form od course. Nelson --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "knuj_gse" <knuj_gse@y...> wrote: I read somewhere that a common source of beta glucans (depending onconnected by a beta link between carbon atom 1 of one molecule to carbon atom4 of the next.like mannose (aloe vera gel, yeast, coconuts), rhamnose (apple rind),to verystart producing highly active beta-glucan in the form of a liquidconcentrate.It tastes just like "shi take" and is not unpleasant, but it is expensive.The US versions are much cheaper. |
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