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I mean you should not add it to juices.

If you are taking several supplements, then that is when you take the juice
as well, before meals.

Anna

In a message dated 4/28/2005 7:33:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
pamelayoo@... writes:

<<My mom is trying to get my brother to drink this vegetable drink
<<mix - it comes in powder form (green) and you have to mix it with
<<liquid.

Hi Pamela:

Sorry your brother is not doing very well right now. Fresh organic produce
would be better for you brother, and making up fresh ingredients as
well.

Is your mother trying to serve him this as a time saver? Because
otherwise, I would think you'd want to stick to fresh ingredients.

Esther

In a message dated 4/28/2005 7:05:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
janettheflowerfarm@... writes:

Hi Janet:

<<but Tuesday was a really hard day when I was told
<<it had grown 1/2 centimeter.

If your tumor grew 1/2 cm in 30 days, that is VERY aggressive for
Breast Cancer. I don't know the specifics of your situation, but I
would guess that you are her2+++.

<<Also after surgery
<<I am going straight to a Gerson clinic where they have agreed I can
<<continue with the CC/FO.

Is there a reason that you are mixing treatment protocols like this?
I'm not sure that I would want to tweak with the systems given the
gravity of your situation right now.

Esther

Hi Pamela,

Because your brother is in the hospice program, he is probably on
medications
and morphine. Because Dr. Budwig recommended being free of chemicals
and preservatives in
order for her diet to work, I don't know how much effect the fo/cc can
have for your brother. I have read that morphine interferes with
digestion.

Has he been able to eat the blended cottage cheese and flaxseed oil
as recommended by the diet plan? If he can eat these foods as Dr. Budwig
recommended, he would probably need to be ingesting all of the servings
that she recommended, which would be 3 T. oil/6 cc with freshly ground
flaxseeds and fresh fruit at breakfast, 2 T oil/4 cc at lunch with the
salad, and another 3 T. oil/6 cc [same as breakfast] as a dessert or
midafternoon snack, giving a total of 8 T flaxseed oil mixed with cc.
This is the way she describes the diet for the unwell in her Oil-
Protein book.

As sick as your brother is, I wonder whether he has been able to swallow
and absorb this much food. Is this the diet he has been on? Maybe the
mixture could be made into a smoothie so that he could drink it.

That's all I can tell you at this point.
My prayers are with you and your family.

Sandra


Pamela" <pamelayoo@c...> wrote:

Vanessa wrote:

are there substitutes for the cottage cheese? > i read that there
were other sulfur/proteins that could be substituted soemwhere.

Hi Vanessa,
If you have ordered Dr. Budwig's two books, you will see in "Flax Oil
as a True Aid..." that the flax oil is blended with cottage cheese
or quark so that it is combined with a sulfur protein and can become
water soluable, allowing it to be absorbed by the cells of the body
more readily. That's why it needs to be blended until no oil is shown
as being separated from the cottage cheese. So, you couldn't get that
water soluable condition with a substitute for cc or quark. There is
a lot of mis-information on the web by people who haven't followed
what Dr. Budwig says in her books.

so anyhow -since i was nursing when diagnosed too, i have really

developed a fear of milk and dairy products, which, organic or not
are ruined in processing and full of cow hormones.

Vanessa, you mentioned have a Whole Foods Market near you. They have
Horizon brand cottage cheese, which is organic, and states that it
has no antibiotic, growth hormones or pesticides from the cows.
Of course, the ideal would be to get raw milk from an organic farmer
and make your own cottage cheese, which I think some people on this
list do, but most of us have to do the next best thing. The point is
that you can get a product that is as good as possible. Since Dr.
Budwig's diet has healed many people of cancer, as you can read in the
files of testimonials, the cottage cheese is obviously not dangerous
to one's health, instead it is healing when used with the flaxseed
oil.

Best wishes,
Sandra

vanessa wrote to Wilhelm:

be nice!

One note: i think/hope one day you will realize just how very nice it is

of

Wilhelm to be here at all, pouring months of unpaid work into this
altruistic venture trying to help others who are desperate.

Ulla

Hi Vanessa,

I have to agree with Ulla regarding Wilhelm. He is a true gentleman and
honestly the very best moderator one can ever hope for. Without his
wonderful guidance many of us would be totally lost. You can ask Wilhelm
anything and he is always more than willing to help and respond where
possible.

I can understand your fear and believe me, I know what you are going
through. My sister had exactly the same breast cancer you have. Stage IV
with lymphatic involvement and HER2/NUE positive (estrogen sensitive). Just
like you, she was undergoing chemo therapy when we thankfully discovered the
Budwig protocol. Since starting the Budwig protocol everything changed for
the better, she stopped further chemo treatments, refused the follow up
radiation treatments as well as the 5 year use of Tamoxifen. We will be
celebrating her 2 year remission and health in exactly two week's time. I
have to tell you her favourite saying regarding the fo/cc............."When
you feel you can no longer stand the cheese and oil, pinch your nose shut
and swallow anyway". Don't worry about the dairy part or anything, just do
it.........!

Lots of strongs to you
Cheryl

YOu're right. that is clearly very nice.

I joined this group yesterday and know nothing of it other than it was
promoted on the Budwig site. I, perhaps, jumped in a little too quickly. With young
children, im afraid, time is not on my side in these matters.

I intended, and hopefully caused no offense:)

thanks for your insight.


In a message dated 4/28/05 4:37:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cherdtoit@... writes:

One note: i think/hope one day you will realize just how very nice it is

of

Wilhelm to be here at all, pouring months of unpaid work into this
altruistic venture trying to help others who are desperate.

My brother coughed up blood today for about twenty minutes (not
consistently) - he is under the hospice program and they told us that
this could mean his tumor has hit a major blood vessel. They also
said this probably means it is close to the end for him - just days.

Is there anything I can do? I will take any suggestions, advice,
personal stories... please respond.

Sincerely,
Pamela

In a message dated 4/27/2005 8:14:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:

Ground flaxseeds have compounds called phytoestrogens, but that is a
different form of estrogen that causes problems. Indications so far suggest that it
helps to lower the estrogen dominance in women and also in men.

Hi Vanessa...welcome and sorry for your plight. Flaxseeds act in much the
same manner as tamoxifen -- a drug that you will undoubtedly be offered at
some point in your journey. The phytoestrogens they contain bind with estrogen
receptors thereby preventing the natural estrogen you produce from doing so.
This is one of the more beneficial effects of flax seed. There are many
others. You have come to the right place.
Take care,
BarbF

Hi Wilhelm,
I just got this email regarding the Berry Young Juice that I use. I
have taken a good bit of the info out because I am not trying to sell
anyone anything. In the past I've been asked questions from our
members about Essential Oil, thus I thought this info of value to all.
I found the part about the natural antioxidants VERY interesting
because it shows us what JB was onto so many, many years ago. Also the
part toward the end about the Oxygen and electrical component was in
alignment with JB. Hope I am not stepping on any "guideline" toes.
The info on essential oils - especially the clove may also benefit the
group..... if you will allow.
Best wishes always,
lotte

Article on Berry Young Juice
by Dr. David Stewart

The following is an article published in the CARE Newsletter made some
comparing Berry Young Juice and Clove Oil to ordinary foods with
regard to their antioxidant capacity. The article isn't copyrighted.

LONGEVITY IS A BOWL OF BERRIES WITH A DROP OF CLOVE
By David Stewart, Ph.D., Executive Director
Center for Aromatherapy Research and Education

The February/March 2001 issue of Natural Medicine Alert, and Institute
of Natural Medicine contained an article entitled: ?Fruits that
Prevent Cancer and Premature Aging.? It was thoroughly documented with
80 cited references.

According to that article the secret to long, disease-free life may be
to eat lots of fresh berries. Here is why. The aging process is now
largely understood to be the action of free oxygen radicals that arise
in our bodies through normal metabolism and cell function as well as
from external environmental sources. Most free radicals contain
electrically unbalanced oxygen atoms.

***NOTE: this is why we use the Fo with CC - and eat raw fruits &
veggies***

Free radicals can be thought of as partial molecules frantically
looking for their missing parts. This makes them hungry and
aggressive, ready to grab a chunk from whatever tissue is available
(namely a piece of our bodies). Hence, they can cause disease by
disrupting normal function at a cellular level. As long as our bodies
can keep these radicals in check by dissipating them harmlessly, we
stay youthful and healthy.

When we suffer an immune deficiency or experience excess stress from
environmental factors such as ambient radiation, impurities in our air
or water, toxins in our foods, etc., free radicals can be formed in
our bodies at a rate faster than we can handle. These radicals
aggressively attack our own tissues causing unhealthy mutations and
irreversible damage. The consequences of this include accelerated
aging, cancer, and a host of other maladies.

There are foods and substances that absorb free radicals (containing
antioxidants) and the more you partake of these, the more youthful and
disease-free you will remain. Scientists at Tufts University have
developed a scale for the U.S. Department of Agriculture called the
ORAC test. (ORAC = Oxygen Radical Absorption Capacity) The higher the
ORAC score, the more capable that particular food is of destroying
free radicals, thus retarding the ageing process and preventing
cancers and other diseases.

The scientists at Tufts University have determined that Berry Young
Juice has the highest ORAC score of any food on the market.

The top natural antioxidant foods as determined by Tufts University so
far are as follows:

FOOD ORAC SCORE*

Carrots 210
Oranges 750
Beets 840
Raspberries 1,220
Strawberries 1,540
Blueberries 2,400
Chinese Wolfberries 25,300

* based on a 3.5 oz. sample (100 ml)

Cherries, Cranberries, Apricots, Elderberries, Pomegranates and
Huckleberries also score very high, but no fruit or vegetable even
comes close to wolfberries.

Wolfberries (Lyceum barbarum) is the food that keeps the people of
Ningxia Province, China, living to ages of 120-150 and more. They live
that long simply because they never get sick. And they never get sick
because their isolated existence in the high desert is pollution free
and they eat only organic, natural foods high in antioxidants every
day, including wolfberries.


Berry Young Juice is a concentrate of the highest scoring antioxidant
foods in the world. Containing 80% wolfberry juice, it also contains
blueberry, pomegranate, apricot and raspberry juices.

The power of two tablespoons of Berry Young Juice daily is shown in the
following table:

TWO TABLESPOONES OF BERRY YOUNG JUICE
Have the Antioxidant Power of . . .

4 pounds of carrots
2 quarts of carrot juice
8 oranges
1 pint of orange juice
2 pounds of beets
2 cups of beet juice
3 cups of raspberries
2 cups of blueberries


ESSENTIAL OILS HAVE THE HIGHEST ORAC SCORES

Essential oils have the highest ORAC scores of any known substance.
According to the Essential Oils Desk Reference, 2nd Ed., they are as
follows:

ESSENTIAL OIL BOTANICAL NAME ORAC SCORE

Sandalwood (Santalum album) 1,655
Roman Camomile (Camaemelum nobile) 2,446
Juniper (Juniperus osteosperma) 2,517
Rosemary (Rosmarianus officianalis) 3,309
Lavender (Lavendula augustifolia) 3,669
Spearmint (Mentha spicata) 5,398
Helichrysm (Helichrysm italicum) 17,420
Lemongrass (Cymbopogen flexuosus) 17,765
Orange (Citrus aurantium) 18,898
Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus globulus) 24,157
Rose of Sharon (Cistus ladanifer) 38,648
Cinnamon Bark (Cinnamamum verum) 103,448
Mountain Savory (Satureja montana) 113,071
Oregano (Origanum compactum) 153,007
Thyme (Thymus vulgaris) 159,590
Clove (Syzigium aromaticum) 10,786,875

Compare these numbers with the berries and you can see how potent
essential oils really are. Clove is the champion of all with an ORAC
score over 10 million!! That means a drop of Clove contains 400 times
more antioxidant per unit volume than wolfberries< the most powerful
of all known fruits.

(Clove oil is a natural preservative and anti-microbial and when
added to your water or BYU, it will not spoil. I keep 6 liters of
treated water in my van because it is very hot where I live and travel
to and from town).

A 15 ml bottle of Clove Oil has the antioxidant capacity of 150 lbs of
carrots, 40 quarts of blueberries or 16 gallons of beet juice.

TWO DROPS OF ESSENTIAL OIL OF CLOVE
Have the Antioxidant Power of . . .

5 pounds of carrots
2.5 quarts of carrot juice
10 oranges
20 ounces of orange juice
2.5 pounds of beets
1 pint of beet juice
4 cups of raspberries
2.5 cups of blueberries

This info is just given to augment our healing work - I still think it
is very important to consume foods in their whole state for other
important reasons. I simply have found that when I put some Beryy
Young Juice and a drop of clove in my water, it helps me feel so much
more energetic.....especially over long drives.
An associate of mine took 2 bottles of BYJ and a bottle of clove oil
with her on retreat in India for one month during the "hot" season.
She diluted each bottle of BYJ by half with the added drops of clove
oil. She had no disentry or any other illness during her stay and no
loss of energy. Just FYI

Vanessa,

I appreciate very much that you felt and feel pressured because of
actively growing cancer. I am very thankful that the cancer that has
come back in my neck is slow-growing, and is not interfering with any
of my bodily processes, giving me the "luxury" of not having to rush
into any particular treatment.

I regret that you think Wilhelm was not being nice or was belittling
you. I did not read that in his message at all. I have always found
him to be kind and polite. In any event, I am certain he had no
intention of being unkind or insulting, and I think his question
about your seeming to worry more about cottage cheese than about
chemotherapy was logical, reasonable and stated without any
unkindness of rudeness. He simply said he thought maybe you were
misinformed.

With regard to chemotherapy, it is my understanding that if it is not
having significant effect by the end of the second treatment, then it
ought to be discontinued, or another drug or combination of drugs
tried. Chemotherapy either does the job quickly or not at all.

In your internet travels, did you come across IPT treatment prior to
beginning regular chemotherapy? I believe that if one decides to go
ahead with chemotherapy that IPT is a much better way to go.

But of course, I still feel that in the vast majority of cases, the
best thing an oncologist can say to a client is, "I'm sorry; there's
nothing I can do for you."

Very best wishes to you,

Elliot

vanessa wrote to Wilhelm:

be nice!

I wish you all the best, Vanessa, and personally i think one of your major
issues to address is your (understandable) overwhelming fear by
educating/training your mind in calmness and peace and focusing on love.
Fear can add insult to injury.

One note: i think/hope one day you will realize just how very nice it is of
Wilhelm to be here at all, pouring months of unpaid work into this
altruistic venture trying to help others who are desperate.

Ulla

I know that Dr. Budwig did not approve of frozen foods, and I know
that organic is better than fresh, BUT my local Kroger grocery store
is having a 10 for 10 dollars sale on non-organic cottage cheese, and
it is very tempting to buy 20 or more containers of it and to freeze
them, given the considerable savings.

I am supposing that freezing the cottage cheese would not affect the
way it works in synergy with the flax oil, and I know Barleans has
said it is ok to keep flax oil in the freezer.

I am concerned about hormones and antibiotics in the non-organic
cottage cheese, and may call the company about that. But I believe
the cottage cheese may be made from milk from many different dairies,
so that it may be hard for Kroger to say just what sorts of things go
into the milk, or into the cows the milk comes from.

Comments, please?

Thank you.

Elliot

In a message dated 4/28/2005 7:30:10 AM Pacific Standard Time,
BocaTrader@... writes:

<<but that type of flaxseed oil is fine as a part of the protocol?

Vanessa:

Barlean's is a great flaxseed oil, and can be ordered directly from the
company and shipped to you fresh. The also sell to distributors.

If you order from Barlean's, and tell them you are a cancer patient, they
will give you a discount.

I have also heard that Spectrum is a good brand.

Where are you in your journey with breast cancer? I am also a BC patient,
diagnosed with primary BC in Jan. 02, and with mets to liver and bones in Feb
04. I have done the chemo road also, and am now looking into healing my body
the alternative route.

Esther

THanks, I've seen this. i didn't know that the oil itself did not share these
properties.

I don't know what to make of these things because before i went for surgery,
i started a diet including milk and flax ans fermented soy and several
phytoestrogenic supplements, etc, and the tumor grew really, really fast sending me
directly to the first surgeon who would take me. and if one talks to a medical
oncologist (who admittedly dont seem to know anythign aobut estrogen in
general, and less about phyto and xeno estrogens) they say avoid all estrogenic
substances. since i am premenopausal, most of the studies really don't say much
about me with loads of estrogen in my body. i beleive, based on my extreme
allergies to pesticides and my location (pesticide capital of the world) and
some esposure I had to urethane while nursing and pesticides right before getting
pregnant, that xeno-estrogens caused my cancer. then i tested 87% ER
positive, which is very high for a premenopausal woman's tumor. so i'm still trying
to figure out soy, but it seems the other phytoestrogens are unavoidable. it
isnt like i can stop eating beand. we live on them here as i don't like meat and
my kids need more than broccoli :)

thank you again for all of your help.

vanessa

In a message dated 4/27/05 8:14:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:

Lignans show particular promise for battling breast cancer. They do this by
blocking the effects of estrogen, which, over time, seems to increase breast
cancer risk in some women. Even when estrogen-sensitive tumors get a chance
to grow, lignans exert a restraining influence that can slow or even halt
their growth. In a laboratory study, breast tumors in animals given flaxseed
shrank by 50 percent in seven weeks.

In a message dated 4/27/05 6:41:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
wilhelmh@... writes:

Hi! I am 36 and in chemo for breast cancer and very scared going forward.

I can embrace much of what I have read about Dr. Budwig's protocol except I
am scared to eat dairy products.

Hi Vanessa,
dairy is part of the Budwig Protocol. It looks to me that you want to do the
Budwig Protocol. In that case please read our files to find out more about
it. Pay special attention to the ground flaxseeds (Linomel) that are part of
this protocol. They have special significance in breast cancer cases.

thank you, i ordered both of dr. budwig's books and am looking forward to
perusing them. i have found her in much secondary source material, but prefer to
go to the source in this case.

I have been good about the flax oil, but I have always been good about

getting good oils and having a reasonably good organic vegetable rich diet.

Taking flax oil by itself (without it being mixed with cottage cheese) is
not the answer. It can work against you. Dr. Budwig said so.

so i have heard. now is this also applicable to my healthy family? i use flax
oil in dresings, on cooked veggies, etc.

I was diagnosed while nursing my son and had nodal involvement. As the

chemo draws to an end (thank goodness) I am realizing I don't want to do
radiation or have a bilateral mastectomy.

I want to beat this and be extremely agressive, I just don't want to be

messed with anymore surgeons and machines.

That is perfectly understandable. What I cannot understand is that you were
less concerned about taking chemo into your body than you are about eating
dairy. The only explanation that I can up with is that you are/were uninformed
in both instances.

you're wrong on this one. i am very informed aobut chemo. I was honestly so
insulted by this that the whole time i was laying down with my son getting himt
o sleep last night (takes a while since he was used to nursing to sleep
before this happened) that I was turning this comment over and over in my head.
even if i were as uniformed as you have assumed i am, there is no justification
to belittle me. two months of research into it I decided to go with chemo, as
i was dealing with a highly agressive malignant tumor with vascular and
lymphatic involvement in a nursing breast. the stats on my long term survival are
awful. I am more chemical shy than anyone i know, yet i got cancer.
fortunately, as a phd in rhetoric, i was able to apply myself to the studies, read
international studies, adn try to determine if there was anythign besides
pharmacuitical company rhetoric involved. all i came up with based ont eh data was
"maybe" it will help. but that's enough for me in this case and that decision
desrves respect.

so anyhow -since i was nursing when diagnosed too, i have really developed

a fear of milk and dairy products, which, organic or not are ruined in
processing and full of cow hormones.

IMO, the value of the fo/cc mixture far outweighs any negative effects of
dairy. It sounds as though you have been listening too much to the no-dairy
lobbyists.
If you want to do the Budwig Protocol, get the best cottage cheese or quark
you can, or make your own. Get organic dairy if you can, and then stop
worrying about it. Worry it is bad for you.

i wish i could stop worrying. as you can see, it isn't likely. i am pursuing
yoga and meditation to try to help. as for being influenced by lobbyists.
you've got the wrong girl. i have, for example, avoided the pull of the dairy
lobby :)

I REALLY REALLY want to be oxygenated. are there substitutes for the

cottage cheese?

i read that there were other sulfur/proteins that could be substituted
soemwehre. i think my fears are very well based. perhaps i will decide to proceed
in spite of them, but getting over them is not an option for me.

No, you need to get over your no-dairy fears.

Is the flaxseed oil in he fridge section at Whole Foods adequate?

No, it needs to be mixed with dairy as it says in our files.

but that type of flaxseed oil is fine as a part of the protocol?

Best wishes for better health to you,

Wilhelm

thanks, Wilhelm. if you can, please try to be nicer. just becasue i'm a
young mom with cancer whyo types in a big hurry doesn't mean i deserve to be
belittled. your beef with the anti-[dairy lobby is certainly understandable. but i
am not a part of it. i'm just trying to stay alive and see my kids grow up.
and i'm very sensitive. trying to take care of kids and get through chemo is
difficult at best. be nice!

thanks,

vanessa

Hi, Anna.

I would imagine that even the inside of the aloe vera leaf would taste
disgusting. Yes, I do have a bottle of aloe vera juice. But it sounded
as if the person who said to add some to fresh vegetable juice knew
what they were talking about. Apparently that is not the case. I am
going to stick to drinking the fractionated, separated, bottled aloe
vera from now on, and use the raw aloe vera only for burns and other
such things.

Why do you say that you should take Aloe Vera juice on its own?

Did you add the whole leaf?

If you did that is incorrect. You only put the internal juice in. However

,

the way I have is that I buy a bottle of Aloe vera juice from the health
food shop and have 40ml before food 2-3 x a day. Don't mix it in the

juice,

it should be taken on its own.

Anna

Vanessa,

Flaxseed oil does not have any estrogenic properties.

Ground flaxseeds have compounds called phytoestrogens, but that is a different form of estrogen that causes problems. Indications so far suggest that it helps to lower the estrogen dominance in women and also in men.

This is from Dr. Mercola's site:
"Ground flaxseed may contain compounds that protect postmenopausal women from breast cancer Blood levels of specific estrogens linked to increased risk for breast cancer decreased significantly with flax supplementation.
Previous studies have suggested that naturally occurring compounds called phytoestrogens, work to lower levels of circulating estrogens linked to breast cancer. Flaxseed is especially high in one such phytoestrogen, lignan, which is thought to inhibit estrogen production."


Or look at this:
"Lignans subdue cancerous changes once they've occurred, rendering them less likely to race out of control and develop into full-blown cancer, " says flax researcher Lilian Thompson, Ph.D., professor of nutritional sciences at the University of Toronto.

Lignans show particular promise for battling breast cancer. They do this by blocking the effects of estrogen, which, over time, seems to increase breast cancer risk in some women. Even when estrogen-sensitive tumors get a chance to grow, lignans exert a restraining influence that can slow or even halt their growth. In a laboratory study, breast tumors in animals given flaxseed shrank by 50 percent in seven weeks.
Wilhelm




What about flax seed oil's estrogenic properties? any reason that would be a
negative for estrogen positive, premenopausal breast cancer patient?

THank you!

vanessa

Jim,
the seeming agreement that fo/cc needs thinning came from Dr. Budwig's instructions.
She never mentioned anything about a shake or a smoothie. Perhaps liquefying the Müsli
and gulping it down is not the same as eating it?

Dr. Budwig's recipes always turned fo/cc foods such as Müsli into a thick consistency.
In other words, they needed chewing. Perhaps she found chewing to be important?

Dr. Budwig always referred to milk as a thinner for fo/cc. The difference in nutritional
value between liquid whey and milk is in rough terms is this: Milk contains more protein,
and whey contains more minerals.

I think it is best to stick to what Dr. Budwig said. However, if I for some reason were to
use whey as a thinner, I would use an extra tblsp CC to make for the lack of protein in
the whey.

Dr. Budwig referred to a glass of sauerkraut juice in the morning, not in the evening.
She did not identify the size of glass. It could have been a 6, 7 or 8 oz glass.

Wilhelm



There seems to be agreement that CC needs thinning, especially to make a shake. Milk is
the most frequent suggestion although water has also been mentioned. Since I make my
own CC I have a lot of whey, and it seems logical to add that, which I do since it contains
some soured protein and other nutrients. How would it compare with milk in nutricianal
value?

Is it likely Dr.Budwig would have recommended 8 oz of sauerkraut juice morning and
evening? That is a lot of juice. My home-made kraut goes dry drinking only a quarter of a
cup, or less, just in the morning.

thanks,

jim