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I am not selling it. I am just letting list members know that I have
been buying raw goat's milk from a neighbor of mine and have found it
excellent for my digestive system. The neighbor has been having a
little surplus lately, so if someone on this list is near Peoria,
Illinois---even more specifically, Eureka or Roanoake, Illinois---and
wants to buy some raw goat's milk, please send me a private email. The
supply is very limited. It is likely only one person from the list will
be able to get any, and I don't know how long the supply will last.

Thanks,

Elliot

I would totally agree, Elliot. Really, with most people (I know
many will disagree) I think it is wise to ease into the changes that
are needed to follow Budwig. But especially for someone who is
elderly. I just figured even if she gets some flaxseed oil mixture
and organic foods in her she'll probably be better off.

:) Kim



--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "breathedeepnow" <aug20@m...>
wrote:

Thanks, Kim!

Actually, with regard to my mother eating healthfully here, I

might

give list members a bit of a warning about too quickly switching

the

diet of an elderly person from mainly cooked, processed, low bulk,

high

carbohydrate foods to a lot more raw, unprocessed, high bulk, low
carbohydrate foods.

We did that with my mom when she came to visit last year, and

within

just a couple of days she was having stomach cramps and diarrhea.

Her

digestive system simply could not take such a sudden change. We

had to

back up some---giving her more cooked, processed stuff, and only
gradually introducing Budwig-type foods.

Even dogs that are used to eating one brand of dog food will get

sick

if one suddenly switches brands. One actually has to mix a little

of

the new brand into the old so as to wean the dog's digestive

system off

the old and onto the new.

Apparently, the lignans sink to the bottom of the bottle and one does
not get much of them. The idea is to buy the non-high lignan flax oil,
and to get your lignans from eating fresh-ground flax seed. :+)

Thanks, Kim!

Actually, with regard to my mother eating healthfully here, I might
give list members a bit of a warning about too quickly switching the
diet of an elderly person from mainly cooked, processed, low bulk, high
carbohydrate foods to a lot more raw, unprocessed, high bulk, low
carbohydrate foods.

We did that with my mom when she came to visit last year, and within
just a couple of days she was having stomach cramps and diarrhea. Her
digestive system simply could not take such a sudden change. We had to
back up some---giving her more cooked, processed stuff, and only
gradually introducing Budwig-type foods.

Even dogs that are used to eating one brand of dog food will get sick
if one suddenly switches brands. One actually has to mix a little of
the new brand into the old so as to wean the dog's digestive system off
the old and onto the new.

Hi Elliot..

I'm sorry to hear that your mom had to go into the hospital and that
she is having a rough time right now. Thankfully (like you said)
they will leave her ALONE. I think it's great that you are planning
on having her come and stay with you. Your eating/living habits can
only have a positive effect on her health.

Also sorry to hear you're dealing with bronchitis :( That's no
fun... but I'm SO GLAD to hear the tumor has not grown! Keep up the
good work. You're obviously on the right path.

Take good care and be well,
Kim



--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "breathedeepnow" <aug20@m...>
wrote:

First, about my 83-year-old mom:

The bad news is that she was admitted to the hospital last week
because of vomiting, stomach pain and blood in her stool. This

week,

the doctors ascertained that she has squamous cell cancer in her
lymph system. They have not yet been able to track down where the
pain is coming from, and she has had trouble eating anything and
keeping it down. My mother will never be able to follow the Budwig
Protocol herself---she lives 1000 miles away from me, and she has

no

interest in alternative medicine.

But the good news is that my mother, my sister, the doctors and I

all

agree that at 83, my mother should not be subjected to
chemo"therapy," radiation or serious surgery. The doctors have

said

they have no idea how long she might live with the cancer in her

body-

--could be a decade or more. So I am deeply thankful that no one

is

going to clobber my mother's immune system, and that she will be
allowed to enjoy her remaining years in the best health she can.

My

wife and I have been adding a bedroom onto our garage for her, and

as

soon as she gets out of the hospital, we are going to get here
however we can, and she is going to remain with and be taken care

of

by us and by nurses we hire.

The bad news in my case is that the bronchitis flared up again,
causing me to have to take to my bed in order to keep from being

laid

up for a week or two. The good news is that the tumor in my neck

is

not growing, and that I am actually feeling in good over-all

health.

Blessed wishes to all,

Elliot

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "breathedeepnow" <aug20@m...>
wrote:

www.barleans.com or buy Barlean's in any store that carries it,

making

sure to buy a bottle with the freshest date possible. Or Spectrum
Naturals is fine, too. Again, check date to be sure it is as fresh as
possible.

Thanks, should the oil be with or without lignans?

First, about my 83-year-old mom:

The bad news is that she was admitted to the hospital last week
because of vomiting, stomach pain and blood in her stool. This week,
the doctors ascertained that she has squamous cell cancer in her
lymph system. They have not yet been able to track down where the
pain is coming from, and she has had trouble eating anything and
keeping it down. My mother will never be able to follow the Budwig
Protocol herself---she lives 1000 miles away from me, and she has no
interest in alternative medicine.

But the good news is that my mother, my sister, the doctors and I all
agree that at 83, my mother should not be subjected to
chemo"therapy," radiation or serious surgery. The doctors have said
they have no idea how long she might live with the cancer in her body-
--could be a decade or more. So I am deeply thankful that no one is
going to clobber my mother's immune system, and that she will be
allowed to enjoy her remaining years in the best health she can. My
wife and I have been adding a bedroom onto our garage for her, and as
soon as she gets out of the hospital, we are going to get here
however we can, and she is going to remain with and be taken care of
by us and by nurses we hire.

The bad news in my case is that the bronchitis flared up again,
causing me to have to take to my bed in order to keep from being laid
up for a week or two. The good news is that the tumor in my neck is
not growing, and that I am actually feeling in good over-all health.

Blessed wishes to all,

Elliot

Liz wrote:
"That's probably all I can do. Is it not worth even trying, if that's
all?"

Yes, I would have to say something is better than nothing, Liz.

Good gravy! Canned meat?! I didn't think it would be THAT bad...

It even says(paraphrased) in Genesis that seeds and fruits and things growing from trees and bushes are to be as meat for man. I eat some meat, but I do try to do 75% veg/fruit to 25% meat, poultry, fish, and I buy those items organic or wild.

Here on this list I have met people who are aware of the fact that there is great value in eating healthfully(eliminating white flour/white sugar, etc, etc)and of the fact that a diagnosis of cancer is not at all a "death sentence."

It grieves me sorely that so many people are so thoroughly
ignorant or cavalier about what they eat and drink, and that they are
so wholly dependent on what mainstream MD's tell them to do about
degenerative dis-ease.

Let's do our best to educate as many as we can that there is another,
healthier way of living!

Elliot


<liz_brown67@y...> wrote:

I appreciate your concern, and yes you do know what foods church
people bring - lots of white flour noodles and canned meat, few

veggies.

But I'm trying to help a friend. I have to work within their

limits, or my suggestions will be ignored. ...........<snip>

www.barleans.com or buy Barlean's in any store that carries it, making
sure to buy a bottle with the freshest date possible. Or Spectrum
Naturals is fine, too. Again, check date to be sure it is as fresh as
possible.

Thank you for your encouragement.

You are correct that cancer is a lifestyle change. I think the
healthiest response is "OK, life has changed, what is the best way for
me to live now?"

But western medicine has taught us that sickness is something that
happens to us through no "fault" of our own, so there's nothing
lifestyle-wise we can do to overcome it.

As a result, people like my friend fall into fatalism and depression
instead of fighting.

The ONLY reason I have a chance of being listened to is because the
doctors have given up.

I'm so glad to hear you are a fighter and are seeing progress as a
result!

I wish for you the joy of moving into perfect health.

Liz

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Suzana Cvetanovic"
<smc566560@e...> wrote:

Dear Liz,
When one has cancer he has already faced a major change in his life

style...

I got cancer - lost job. I chose alternative - lost doctor. And I

was not ready for more major changes. I started only with raw food,
because I never cooked and it was the easiest way for me - lazy and
depressed. Luckily, Budwig diet includes raw food, so when I
discovered her work and this group I included FO/CC. After two weeks I
found out about ground flax seeds. After some time I found out about
the importance of the sun. Three weeks ago I got J.B. books. One week
ago I had CT and two horrible spots on my right lung disappeared. I
know it is not over, but it gives me optimism. And I am not depressed
anymore.

So, your friend does not have to do these major changes all at
once....

Elliot, I haven't been keeping up with the messages lately, so I apologize if I missed an update from you. I scanned the archived messages but didn't find anything, so I thought I'd ask on the list. How are you doing? I think of you often and hope for you to have a quick and complete recovery. What treatment method did you decide to go with? Please know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. I know you'll be a part of this list for many years (decades) to come. Blessings, Cheryl


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I appreciate your concern, and yes you do know what foods church
people bring - lots of white flour noodles and canned meat, few veggies.

But I'm trying to help a friend. I have to work within their limits,
or my suggestions will be ignored.

I protested her giving him peach pie - he eats nothing, so pie was his
only food that meal and he's diabetic! She's so glad he was willing
to eat something that she rationalized the peaches have nutrition.
He's been taking insulin shots for years and insists in sugared
desserts, so it's not like they have a mind-set of working for health!

There is so little time, but telling an overstressed woman to tell her
church friends their food is no good they have to cook differently -
no way she's going to be willing to appear ungrateful like that.

I'm trying to find a balance between ideal and real world that has a
chance of working AND of being believed, when I'm nobody "believable"
- not a doctor, no personal experience with fo/cc, nothing but ideas
I've run into on the web in the past week and my own certainty that
it's not over until the funeral.

If I can start by getting him to eat some fo/cc every day, then try to
get some of the church women together and discuss foods, then try to
help find homes for some of the dozen cats (all that particulation in
the air can't be healthy) - one step at a time, one new thing at a
time they might be willing to try. But I've got a job of my own, and
I'm headed out of town for a few weeks, I can't babysit their lifestyle.

If y'all are telling me it's all or nothing, I might as well save my
energy. There's no way he's going to stop asking for peach pie just
because I say so. He MIGHT be willing to add fo/cc to humor me.

That's probably all I can do. Is it not worth even trying, if that's all?

Liz

Could anyone please tell me where I can purchase the best type of
linseed/flax oil (coldpressed, unrefined, additive free...). Is there
an on-line merchant? Is there a best brand?

Thanks.

Liz, the symptoms of too much flax oil are "good" ones, in that they
are, to the best of my knowledge, stomach cramps and diarrhea.
By "good" I mean that the body reacts to over-eating of flax oil as
it would many other non-toxic foods, causing a person no harm.

But Liz, when you or someone else comes out with something like this,
we would appreciate it if you would identify the source. Dr. Budwig
DID NOT SAY to "take as much fo/cc as your body can tolerate."
Wilhelm has, several times, put the amount in terms of how much fo/cc
to how many pounds of body weight.

Better yet, rather than identify the source, ignore such stuff unless
you find it in our files section.

THIS LIST IS, to my knowledge, THE BEST AND MOST AUTHORITATIVE PLACE
to learn about the Budwig Protocol, because THE INFORMATION POSTED IN
OUR FILES COMES DIRECTLY FROM DR. BUDWIG'S WRITINGS, AS TRANSLATED
FAITHFULLY BY WILHELM, our moderator.

To do internet searches and to find non-verified stuff such as "flax
oil causes allergies," "flax oil can be toxic," "flax oil causes
depression," "one should eat as much fo/cc as one can tolerate" is a
fruitless waste of time.

What one needs to do to properly follow the Budwig Protocol is to

1)READ the files section about the protocol thoroughly.
2)BUY the "Oil Protein Cookbook" authored by Dr. Budwig.
3)STOP surfing the internet about the flax oil, where you will find
all manner of strange stuff said about it.
4)CONFINE questions to those about how best to follow the Protocol AS
LAID OUT BY Dr. Budwig.

Best wishes,

Elliot

Hi Kathryn...

The explanation of Eldi oils is in the files. Here's the link
(don't
know if the link is too long to work here):


20Files%20-%20Budwig%20Protocol%20/

But anyway, if you click on 'files' and then click on '4 - FSO2 Files
-Budwig Protocol' you'll see another link for explanations regarding
the Eldi oils.

Some really good info in those files. Any new members who haven't
checked it out yet, I would strongly suggest you do so. It's not
the empty folder-deal you find with many other yahoo groups.
Wilhelm has filled it with easy to understand info.

Kim


--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "mkathryn59" <mkathryn59@y...>
wrote:

Sorry I don't know, but what is Eldi R Oil?

Dear Liz,
When one has cancer he has already faced a major change in his life style. Having three, four rounds of chemo is one change, surgery is a change too. One can not do his normal routine things as he was doing - change.
And if someone chooses the alternative way he has to do some changes, but willingly, knowing this changes can make his life better, less suffer.
I got cancer - lost job. I chose alternative - lost doctor. And I was not ready for more major changes. I started only with raw food, because I never cooked and it was the easiest way for me - lazy and depressed. Luckily, Budwig diet includes raw food, so when I discovered her work and this group I included FO/CC. After two weeks I found out about ground flax seeds. After some time I found out about the importance of the sun. Three weeks ago I got J.B. books. One week ago I had CT and two horrible spots on my right lung disappeared. I know it is not over, but it gives me optimism. And I am not depressed anymore.
So, your friend does not have to do these major changes all at once. He can start with FO/CC+ground flax seed. I know it is much easier to eat already prepared food. Every time I see someone eating "normally" I feel "hungry". I still remember the taste, but I am not really hungry. Preparing raw food dishes is not real cooking - at least not for me. And it is not so expensive, OK, compared with gift it is; but if it is a matter of health/life, little expenses are not much. I believe that the church would give to your friends raw food as well, if the situation would be explained.
Suzana




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I do not have a link to this information. My wife recently received
it at a weight-watchers-type meeting. Here is a summary of the
leaflet she was given:

The Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit advocacy group, recently
released the results of a 2003 study of pesticide levels in American
produce, which found that we can lower our pesticide exposure 90
percent if we avoid the 12 conventionally-grown, most pesticide-
containing/pesticide-treated fruits and vegetables and buy the 12
conventionally-grown least pesticide-containing/pesticide-treated
fruits and vegetables.

Of course buy organic according to availability and according to the
state of your finances, but if you need to buy conventionally-grown
produce, then here are the 12 most contaminated(1 being most and 12
being least)and the 12 least contaminated(1 being least and 12 being
most)conventionally grown fruits and vegetables:

Most contaminated:

1. Peaches
2. Strawberries
3. Apples
4. Spinach
5. Nectarines
6. Celery
7. Pears
8. Cherries
9. Potatoes
10. Sweet Bell Pepper
11. Raspberries
12. Imported Grapes

Least contaminated:

1. Sweet corn
2. Avocados
3. Pineapples
4. Cauliflower
5. Mangoes
6. Sweet Peas
7. Asparagus
8. Onions
9. Broccoli
10. Bananas
11. Kiwis
12. Papayas

Liz, I'm concerned about your comment.
You wrote:
"Easier to get someone to add a lot of fo/cc to their otherwise normal
life style than ask them to drive 2 hours to the nearest organic food
store every day and take up cooking for the first time in their life
instead of eating the foods the church people bring."

If the foods the church people bring are anything like what the
church people around here would bring, and there is no reason to
suppose they would not be, then we are talking about white flour,
white sugar, lots of processed foods, potato chips, partially
hydrogenated fats, store-bought juices, non-organic meat and poultry,
(very probably pork and ham), canned vegetables, "Cool Whip" ect,
etc...more than enough to set the Budwig Protocol waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
back.

Would be far better to purchase the "Oil Protein Cookbook" and to get
a couple of those nice church people---maybe widows or people without
children---to prepare meals out of it. They would learn something
about healthful eating, and it would only be 2-3 months before signs
of improvement began to show.

You ARE what you eat, and if you eat junk instead of healthful stuff,
then your health will be junky.

Elliot

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "liz_brown67" <liz_brown67@y...>
wrote:

LOL, who was it said the definition of stupidity is doing the same
thing and expecting a different result?

Still, there's an art to figuring out which few lifestyle changes

are

likely to a big effect on a specific individual, instead of

insisting

someone simultaneously change everything - diet, clothes, thought
patterns, where they live, pets, jobs, friends, soaps - even though
each of these can be negatively affecting someone.

Easier to get someone to add a lot of fo/cc to their otherwise

normal

life style than ask them to drive 2 hours to the nearest organic

food

store every day and take up cooking for the first time in their life
instead of eating the foods the church people bring.

Ya gotta find the few changes that work well, because suggesting too
many changes can be so overwhelming the result is people give up
without trying anything.

Liz

major lifestyle changes are hard to do, easier
to make a few minor adaptations.

That is quite normal. You are absolutely right that major

lifestyle

changes are hard to do, but major lifestyle changes are often
required to get major results. Minor changes bring minor results.

I'm reading comments that mention taking as much fo/cc as your body
can tolerate.

What are the symptoms of too much?

Liz