Hello,
I have been using goat cheese to make the Budwig mix. ?I mix 3 TBS of flax oil into 3-4 ounces of goat cheese with a couple drops of lime & coconut or orange & vanilla essential oils and extracts plus some stevia. ?It turns into a beautiful, fluffy delicious whipped dessert. ?I am hoping this is an approved way to make the recipe because I don¡¯t like cottage cheese. ?I cannot find anyone using goat cheese in any of the posts. ?Three ounces of goat cheese has fifteen grams of protein. ?The flax oil disappears completely when mixed with the goat cheese.
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Thanks - these are both good ideas - I¡¯ll try quark and kefir. ?Also the ginger¡
On Saturday, February 25, 2023, 4:08 PM, Tracy Karbula via groups.io <tkarbula2@...> wrote: We add goat milk kiefer as the last step. Any nausea we take ginger, we just leave slice ginger boiled in water on the stove to quell any nausea with just a few sips > On Feb 25, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Joost < joost@...> wrote: > > ?Same with me when eating cottage cheese. > So I changed to quark. No problem. > > Hold on, > Joost > > Op 24-02-2023 om 17:23 schreef gittel koenig via groups.io: >> Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture?? I gag constantly as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated. >> >> >> >> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS <> > > > > > >
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We add goat milk kiefer as the last step. Any nausea we take ginger, we just leave slice ginger boiled in water on the stove to quell any nausea with just a few sips
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On Feb 25, 2023, at 3:56 AM, Joost <joost@...> wrote:
?Same with me when eating cottage cheese.
So I changed to quark. No problem.
Hold on,
Joost
Op 24-02-2023 om 17:23 schreef gittel koenig via groups.io:
Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture? I gag constantly as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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Same with me when eating cottage cheese.
So I changed to quark. No problem.
Hold on,
Joost
Op 24-02-2023 om 17:23 schreef gittel koenig via groups.io:
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Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture? ?I gag constantly?as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and?doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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Yes, as Doug said, if it has a bad smell and taste, your oil is rancid. ?It is awful if that is the case. ?If the oil is not rancid, it should not make you gag. ?Once you have prepared the mixture, either add some pure juice or some raw honey to sweeten it, and then add your fruit and ground flax seeds. ?I can not eat it without adding the honey or fruit juice. ?If you sweeten with one of those, it is delicious ?
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On Feb 24, 2023, at 11:52 AM, gittel koenig via groups.io <gitikoenig@...> wrote:
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Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture? ?I gag constantly?as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and?doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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If it tastes/smells bad which could cause gagging, then it is probably rancid.
doug
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 1:52 PM gittel koenig via <gitikoenig= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture?? I gag constantly?as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and?doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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I had the same problem. I just add some unsweetened almond milk to thin it out. After all is blended well.?
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 3:04 PM, Ron Muscella via groups.io <romus1@...> wrote: Perhaps try adding a couple ounces of kefir.
Makes it? thin and it will liquefy it more.
Will not be as thick....if that is the reason for your gagging.
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To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2023 11:23 am
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Nausea
Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture? ?I gag constantly?as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and?doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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I am wondering what is making you gag is it the texture of the pudding or is it the oil or is it the cottage cheese that¡¯s too tangy for you or exactly what? I¡¯ve had indigestion from the oil. I take Tums and it clears it right up. I¡¯m wondering if you are blending the oil and the lowfat milk well. it must be emulsified before adding the quark or cottage cheese. I think a little acid indigestion goes with the program. I¡¯m not sure it could be avoided. That¡¯s a lot of oil to just put in your stomach. But I¡¯m gonna keep doing it.
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On Feb 24, 2023, at 1:04 PM, Ron Muscella via groups.io <romus1@...> wrote:
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Perhaps try adding a couple ounces of kefir.
Makes it? thin and it will liquefy it more.
Will not be as thick....if that is the reason for your gagging.
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From: gittel koenig via groups.io <gitikoenig@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2023 11:23 am
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Nausea
Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture? ?I gag constantly?as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and?doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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Possibly start with smaller amount
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 2:52 PM gittel koenig via <gitikoenig= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture?? I gag constantly?as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and?doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
-- Beckie Moon 315-552-8059 (Cell)? 315-687-1000 (Home)
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Perhaps try adding a couple ounces of kefir.
Makes it? thin and it will liquefy it more.
Will not be as thick....if that is the reason for your gagging.
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From: gittel koenig via groups.io <gitikoenig@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2023 11:23 am
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Nausea
Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture? ?I gag constantly?as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and?doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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Hi all - does anyone have a problem with nausea from FOCC mixture? ?I gag constantly?as I eat. I add fresh berries and passion fruit and?doing reduced amount but very, very hard. Any advice gratefully appreciated.
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Is the ¡°ready made one¡± pasteurized? ? I personally would use it and the first time I did fo/cc myself I used sauerkraut juice I purchased vs homemade ? Just my opinion. Hope you¡¯re well
It must be from fermented cabbage. The juice.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 3:33 PM, Dean What possible reason would there be to not take it in esophageal cancer?? It's a vital part of the therapy; I would take it. Hi
Should Sauerkraut Juice be taken for all types of Cancer, particularly interested to know whether or not it is suitable for esophageal cancer?? I can see mixed thoughts on this online.
Using this ready made one, only having 100ml per day first thing in the morning¡
Thanks.
Pinda
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It must be from fermented cabbage. The juice.
On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 3:33 PM, Dean <acudean5@...> wrote: What possible reason would there be to not take it in esophageal cancer?? It's a vital part of the therapy; I would take it. Hi
Should Sauerkraut Juice be taken for all types of Cancer, particularly interested to know whether or not it is suitable for esophageal cancer?? I can see mixed thoughts on this online.
Using this ready made one, only having 100ml per day first thing in the morning¡
Thanks.
Pinda
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What possible reason would there be to not take it in esophageal cancer?? It's a vital part of the therapy; I would take it.
Hi
Should Sauerkraut Juice be taken for all types of Cancer, particularly interested to know whether or not it is suitable for esophageal cancer?? I can see mixed thoughts on this online.
Using this ready made one, only having 100ml per day first thing in the morning¡
Thanks.
Pinda
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The Budwig Protocol is a general protocol for any cancer.
Sour Kraut Juice will neutralize the lactic acid output by tumors specifically.
stringa
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Hi
Should Sauerkraut Juice be taken for all types of Cancer, particularly interested to know whether or not it is suitable for esophageal cancer? ?I can see mixed thoughts on this online.
Using this ready made one, only having 100ml per day first thing in the morning¡
Thanks.
Pinda
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Ps. There wasn¡¯t a feeding tube bag. It was a g-tube that went into him directly and they would use a bollus? (Syringe type piece that fit the g-tube end perfectly to slowly push the ¡°Budwig diet ingredients down the tube). Then they would add water at the end to clear the tube out a bit.
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On Jan 31, 2023, at 8:24 AM, Ron Muscella via groups.io <romus1@...> wrote:
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I also use Kefir to thin my FOCC.....not goat's milk, but from the grain.
Have been using it for years now.
Kefir, a low cultured milk,? is high in probiotics.
Ron
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From: Tracy Karbula via groups.io <tkarbula2@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2023 10:59 pm
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Hi Jane,
I use Goatmilk Kefir to thin mine to make a smoothie out of it, Prayers = )
Tracy
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 05:55:39 PM CST, Sandy Heerspink <sheerspi@...> wrote:
This is a link to the website of The Stern Method. Their son was diagnosed with cancer and they share their story. They requested a feeding port be put in so they could get nutrients into their son. They brought a juicer to his hospital room and informed the staff that their son would not be needing the hospital food. Anyway, your situation reminded me somewhat of the Sternagles, so thought I¡¯d share. They used the Budwig as part of their son¡¯s recovery (and he did recover!).
Sandy
On Jan 30, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Lindsley Silagi <lindsley.silagi@...> wrote:
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Hi Jane,
? ? ?You just have to be firm. Initially they will want to make sure the tube works correctly, say perhaps 12 to 24 hours. After that just take it upon yourself to do it. No flaxseeds in the tube. As I said in an earlier email I never gave my husband flaxseed as he did have the tube in him for 5 months. The protocol still works. If you were to try seed it would clog the tube. You do not want that.?
? ? ? You can do this Jane.
Lindsley
On Jan 30, 2023, at 9:53 AM, jane tucker <janetucker113@...> wrote:
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.Hello.? Thank you all again for the tips!? I feel confident?I could grind the flax seeds in the room.? It appears my husband?may have a feeding tube inserted today, unfortunately, since he will not eat.? The big question for me is how do you convince the nurses to agree to add the mixture to the feeding tube bag?? What to say to them?? My understanding is that publicly they most likely?are instructed to only recognize the standard cancer treatments.? I would very much appreciate any suggestions with this!!!
Thank you so much!
Jane Tucker?
Big Sis of JoAnne Doe Bucky Shott?
Hi Jane,
I am not sure about the 20 minutes for getting it into your husband. My dad had a G-tube and they used to be able to pour the FOCC shake down by adding a little water to thin it down for his meals. I would bring over several bottles. But back then I was not adding the ground flaxseeds. I am wondering if you can Grind the flaxseeds in his room and added to your mixture right before you give it to him. That way it does not put as much pressure on you to get over to the hospital. Just thinking out loud. :-)
Jenny?
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Hello!
Thank you thank you so very much for your reply.? I just got home from the ICU and will read again and again to better digest it all.? I've made the FOCC recipe many times for myself as a??prophylactic?so I am familiar with the ingredients, plus my sis followed the diet very strictly for? 7 years.? ? My hubby has stage IV liver cancer, and his liver is almost covered 100% in metastases.? Plus kidneys?are not functioning properly.? They are concentrating right now on attempting to bring? the kidney function back to as normal as possible, but, the prognosis for that is not very good.? IF that can be done, he can come home and follow the diet? 100%.? In the meantime I am trying to figure?out how to get him the FOCC twice a day while in the hospital, which may be 2-4 more weeks if the kidneys seem to be improving on the dialysis.? ? I do not want to waste any time.???I live 10 min away from the hospital?so I can mix up a recipe at home and drive as fast as I can over there, run up the hospital stairs, and get him the recipe within as close to 20 minutes from the time I finish mixing.? And do this? twice a day.? Hectic, but I am willing to do it.? I would think the FOCC could potentially aid the kidneys as well? even though there is no sign of cancer there.?
My only concern right now is he is not eating.? Any food he puts in his mouth he ends up spitting out.? Maybe it's the meds - we are not sure.? ?So, if I cannot get the FOCC into him,? then my efforts are wasted.? I have read I can thin the mixture out with carrot juice or milk.... do you by chance know anything about this? Maybe then he can literally drink? it. Also, do you know how important is the? 20 min time frame from mixing the batch to eating it?
I am so glad to hear you are feeling better day by day.? How encouraging that is for you!??
Again, thank you so very much for reaching out and providing a wealth of information for us.
Best,?
Jane Tucker
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 8:14 PM stringa < sstringa@...> wrote: Hello Jane,
So sorry to hear that your husband is going through this. I myself am battling colon cancer spread to my liver and lymph nodes; but I do feel better every day that I'm on this diet.
Here are my recommendations:
1) Read this post by Sanda: it is the daily activity schedule for when he gets home: /g/FlaxSeedOil2/topic/question_for_sandra_olson/75468304
2) While he is in the hospital, buy a low RPM juicer. I am sure others here can suggest a cheaper juicer, but I have the Angel Juicer which is really easy to clean since it's all stainless steel. I wouldn't go cheap here, since you will use it nearly every day (it's more important than your stove). Here is a used one on ebay.
3) Grab a copy of the . For the most part, follow this book for your list of ingredients.
4) Barlean's Flax Seed Oil (Red Stripe Bottle) and Nancy's Organic Low Fat (2% or less) Cottage Cheese are the easiest and most recommended ingredients I have found near me for making your daily FOCC mixture.
5) Pickup an Enima Kit for Coffee Enima's. This helps stimulate and detox the liver. I do this daily, but it also helps with my colon since it has a lot of scar tissue.
6) Make sure you have a coffee grinder that you can use for flax seed
7) Consider using caster oil on the liver. Look up "Caster oil packs"
8) Sour Kraut Juice is super important. If you read the literature, it will neutralize the lactic acid output by the tumors in the blood stream. You can not make your body alkaline or get rid of tumors w/o sour kraut. If you don't have a juicer yet, I would just eat like a cup of kraut every morning. If you don't have time to make homemade kraut, you can find WildBrine Raw Organic Kraut for like $8.99 at Costco (50 oz jug). It's literally 3 ingredients: Cabbage, SeaSalt and Garlic.
No Sugar, No Preservatives, No Meat, and most importantly, NO OIL OTHER THAN FLAX SEED OIL. Prefer Organic Produce whenever possible. Some will say you can cook with coconut oil or you can use Olive Oil, but if you follow the research from Dr. Gerson, I would stay away from any other oil until at least 18 months after remission. The gist of this is that you can not go out to eat or have anything processed from the grocery store.
There is a transition diet that is about 3 days long, but I don't think any of us here have done that and you can find it in the Oil Protein Cookbook I believe.
Cooking is hard, but there are things like "waterless/oilless" (not cheap) cooking pans that can help out. Also, learn to make sauces that can be utilized on veggies or custom made flat breads with Quinoa or Spelt Flour.
There is a lot of information here for you to unpack, so once you do that, feel free to shoot me questions. This diet is strict and not very fun at all, but it's life or death at this point. Also, they will not radiate the liver and pending how many metastasis are on his liver, treatment will most likely not save his life, since chemo usually does not cure, it only gets you to surgery and they will want to remove any section of the liver that had a metastasis.
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I also use Kefir to thin my FOCC.....not goat's milk, but from the grain.
Have been using it for years now.
Kefir, a low cultured milk,? is high in probiotics.
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From: Tracy Karbula via groups.io <tkarbula2@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2023 10:59 pm
Subject: Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] Connecting with survivors
Hi Jane,
I use Goatmilk Kefir to thin mine to make a smoothie out of it, Prayers = )
Tracy
On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 05:55:39 PM CST, Sandy Heerspink <sheerspi@...> wrote:
This is a link to the website of The Stern Method. Their son was diagnosed with cancer and they share their story. They requested a feeding port be put in so they could get nutrients into their son. They brought a juicer to his hospital room and informed the staff that their son would not be needing the hospital food. Anyway, your situation reminded me somewhat of the Sternagles, so thought I¡¯d share. They used the Budwig as part of their son¡¯s recovery (and he did recover!).
Sandy
On Jan 30, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Lindsley Silagi <lindsley.silagi@...> wrote:
?
Hi Jane,
? ? ?You just have to be firm. Initially they will want to make sure the tube works correctly, say perhaps 12 to 24 hours. After that just take it upon yourself to do it. No flaxseeds in the tube. As I said in an earlier email I never gave my husband flaxseed as he did have the tube in him for 5 months. The protocol still works. If you were to try seed it would clog the tube. You do not want that.?
? ? ? You can do this Jane.
Lindsley
On Jan 30, 2023, at 9:53 AM, jane tucker <janetucker113@...> wrote:
?
.Hello.? Thank you all again for the tips!? I feel confident?I could grind the flax seeds in the room.? It appears my husband?may have a feeding tube inserted today, unfortunately, since he will not eat.? The big question for me is how do you convince the nurses to agree to add the mixture to the feeding tube bag?? What to say to them?? My understanding is that publicly they most likely?are instructed to only recognize the standard cancer treatments.? I would very much appreciate any suggestions with this!!!
Thank you so much!
Jane Tucker?
Big Sis of JoAnne Doe Bucky Shott?
Hi Jane,
I am not sure about the 20 minutes for getting it into your husband. My dad had a G-tube and they used to be able to pour the FOCC shake down by adding a little water to thin it down for his meals. I would bring over several bottles. But back then I was not adding the ground flaxseeds. I am wondering if you can Grind the flaxseeds in his room and added to your mixture right before you give it to him. That way it does not put as much pressure on you to get over to the hospital. Just thinking out loud. :-)
Jenny?
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Hello!
Thank you thank you so very much for your reply.? I just got home from the ICU and will read again and again to better digest it all.? I've made the FOCC recipe many times for myself as a??prophylactic?so I am familiar with the ingredients, plus my sis followed the diet very strictly for? 7 years.? ? My hubby has stage IV liver cancer, and his liver is almost covered 100% in metastases.? Plus kidneys?are not functioning properly.? They are concentrating right now on attempting to bring? the kidney function back to as normal as possible, but, the prognosis for that is not very good.? IF that can be done, he can come home and follow the diet? 100%.? In the meantime I am trying to figure?out how to get him the FOCC twice a day while in the hospital, which may be 2-4 more weeks if the kidneys seem to be improving on the dialysis.? ? I do not want to waste any time.???I live 10 min away from the hospital?so I can mix up a recipe at home and drive as fast as I can over there, run up the hospital stairs, and get him the recipe within as close to 20 minutes from the time I finish mixing.? And do this? twice a day.? Hectic, but I am willing to do it.? I would think the FOCC could potentially aid the kidneys as well? even though there is no sign of cancer there.?
My only concern right now is he is not eating.? Any food he puts in his mouth he ends up spitting out.? Maybe it's the meds - we are not sure.? ?So, if I cannot get the FOCC into him,? then my efforts are wasted.? I have read I can thin the mixture out with carrot juice or milk.... do you by chance know anything about this? Maybe then he can literally drink? it. Also, do you know how important is the? 20 min time frame from mixing the batch to eating it?
I am so glad to hear you are feeling better day by day.? How encouraging that is for you!??
Again, thank you so very much for reaching out and providing a wealth of information for us.
Best,?
Jane Tucker
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 8:14 PM stringa < sstringa@...> wrote: Hello Jane,
So sorry to hear that your husband is going through this. I myself am battling colon cancer spread to my liver and lymph nodes; but I do feel better every day that I'm on this diet.
Here are my recommendations:
1) Read this post by Sanda: it is the daily activity schedule for when he gets home: /g/FlaxSeedOil2/topic/question_for_sandra_olson/75468304
2) While he is in the hospital, buy a low RPM juicer. I am sure others here can suggest a cheaper juicer, but I have the Angel Juicer which is really easy to clean since it's all stainless steel. I wouldn't go cheap here, since you will use it nearly every day (it's more important than your stove). Here is a used one on ebay.
3) Grab a copy of the . For the most part, follow this book for your list of ingredients.
4) Barlean's Flax Seed Oil (Red Stripe Bottle) and Nancy's Organic Low Fat (2% or less) Cottage Cheese are the easiest and most recommended ingredients I have found near me for making your daily FOCC mixture.
5) Pickup an Enima Kit for Coffee Enima's. This helps stimulate and detox the liver. I do this daily, but it also helps with my colon since it has a lot of scar tissue.
6) Make sure you have a coffee grinder that you can use for flax seed
7) Consider using caster oil on the liver. Look up "Caster oil packs"
8) Sour Kraut Juice is super important. If you read the literature, it will neutralize the lactic acid output by the tumors in the blood stream. You can not make your body alkaline or get rid of tumors w/o sour kraut. If you don't have a juicer yet, I would just eat like a cup of kraut every morning. If you don't have time to make homemade kraut, you can find WildBrine Raw Organic Kraut for like $8.99 at Costco (50 oz jug). It's literally 3 ingredients: Cabbage, SeaSalt and Garlic.
No Sugar, No Preservatives, No Meat, and most importantly, NO OIL OTHER THAN FLAX SEED OIL. Prefer Organic Produce whenever possible. Some will say you can cook with coconut oil or you can use Olive Oil, but if you follow the research from Dr. Gerson, I would stay away from any other oil until at least 18 months after remission. The gist of this is that you can not go out to eat or have anything processed from the grocery store.
There is a transition diet that is about 3 days long, but I don't think any of us here have done that and you can find it in the Oil Protein Cookbook I believe.
Cooking is hard, but there are things like "waterless/oilless" (not cheap) cooking pans that can help out. Also, learn to make sauces that can be utilized on veggies or custom made flat breads with Quinoa or Spelt Flour.
There is a lot of information here for you to unpack, so once you do that, feel free to shoot me questions. This diet is strict and not very fun at all, but it's life or death at this point. Also, they will not radiate the liver and pending how many metastasis are on his liver, treatment will most likely not save his life, since chemo usually does not cure, it only gets you to surgery and they will want to remove any section of the liver that had a metastasis.
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Liquid Hope by functional formularies is another option, it is all organic and healthy and made for tube feeding.
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Beckie