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mabe the pau tea cant penetrate the blood brain barrier and the fo/cc
can. I dont know? I'm going to continue on both. Does fo/cc take a
while to process in the system? If so, I'll wait a couple hours
before taking the pau tea.

You say that when you were off fo/cc and on Pau d'Arco your tumor almost disappeared, but at the same time you are concerned about metastasis because of the headaches. Wouldn't any natural food or protocol that causes a tumor to disappear also prevent metastasis?

I would not have expected any interference between the Budwig Diet and Pau d'Arco because it is a natural tea and I am still not convinced that one will inhibit the efficacy of the other. I have no explanation for what you are describing.

Wilhelm

Hi Anna

Have you read our files, specifically the first file under "Budwig Diet" called "Flax oil - cottage cheese mixture"? You will find that general quantities are given there as per Dr.Budwig's suggestions. So far as I know, Dr.Budwig did not say exactly how much FO to take in a day and I think that we should not suggest it to anyone either. Requirements vary from person to person for many reasons. This is food, not a prescription drug where precise amounts are required. General quantities should suffice and some variation from day to day would be quite normal IMO. When I asked one of Dr.Budwig's patients how much FO he was taking a day, he could not answer the question without first mentally adding up the FO component in the various foods of the day and then giving me an approximate figure.

From one of your earlier posts I see that you are taking 6 tblsp ground flaxseed (flaxmeal) and 3 to 4 tblsp FO. That sounds about right to me except that you need to mix the FO with low fat CC as Dr.Budwig said, not with beet juice. Now you say you are taking 3 tblsp ground flaxseeds and that it is not a problem for you. Dr.Budwig had her patients take 5 tbslp Linomel a day as you can see in the file referred to above.

The information that you need 450 g fo/cc does not add up. I don't know how you figured it all in terms of weight. We usually use quantity measurements. Let's convert what you are taking to weight in approximate terms:

4 tblsp FO = 37 g
8 tblsp CC = 133 g
3 tblsp milk = 45 g (for thinning)
Total fo/cc = 215 g (not counting any fruit, nuts or other ingredients that you may be adding)

That comes to 215 g for 4 tblsp FO - not 450 g as you mentioned. Furthermore, you would likely split 4 tblsp FO into two meals like 3+1 or 2+2. The Muesli breakfast according to Dr.Budwig contains 3 tblsp FO and 2 tblsp Linomel. Any more FO and ground flaxseed would be consumed later.

You mention flaxseed meal. That has the ring of a commercial pre-ground product. Be careful with that. Dr.Budwig recommends only Linomel or freshly ground flaxeeds.

Wilhelm



Hi everyone,I have asked for some help in how much I
need to eat of the fo/cc, but I have had no response.
I hope you are getting the message. My ISP has not
indicated a problem in delivering the mail. I am of a
small stature (46kg) and from the information I have I
need to eat 450gr. of fo/cc plus the flaxmeal 3tbsp.
of a day. The flaxmeal is not a problem, but I find
the 450gr. of fo/cc a bit much. Can this be adjusted
according to the persons body weight or is this diet
for active cancer the formula for everyone? Hope to
hear from you soon.Anna

I've been taking my fo/cc in the morning and drinking Pau d'arco
throught the day. Do you think one will inhibit the others efficacy
in any way. I really cant tell. I do know that when I quit taking
fo/cc for about a month and went strictly on pau d'arco my tumor
almost disappeared. Now it seems to stay the same in size. Ive got
to wonder if I would have completely quit the fo/cc all together,
would my tumor be completely gone. The reason I got back on Budwig
is because I was getting strange headaches (perhaps some metastasis
there). I'm trying to look for some sort of balance, but it gets so
darn frustrating. I know Dr.Budwig recommends some tea after the
muesli. I wonder if Pau d'arco would qualify? What do you guys
think?

Hi everyone,I have asked for some help in how much I
need to eat of the fo/cc, but I have had no response.
Ihope you are getting the message. My ISP has not
indicated a problem in delivering the mail. I am of a
small stature (46kg) and from the information I have I
need to eat 450gr. of fo/cc plus the flaxmeal 3tbsp.
of a day. The flaxmeal is not a problem, but I find
the 450gr. of fo/cc a bit much. Can this be adjusted
according to the persons body weight or is this diet
for active cancer the formula for everyone? Hope to
hear from you soon.Anna

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Barb around the time I was taking the flax OIL and cottage cheese
had a grand mal. It was just one week after I started. I got very
scared and stop and went back to the capsules again. I don't think
it was because of the oil, but at the time I did. I believe I could
have just been low on sodium at the time. I am just scared to start
it again. Maybe in time I will. But It is amazing just the small
amount I was taking for the capsules has helped my neurological
problem.
Lisa

Barb,
I realize that with your previous post on this subject you answered a post that I for some reason had missed.

I know capsules aren't part of Budwig protocol. What I meant was how are you 'blending' the two different protocols, the Budwig protocol and the

other one she is using that calls for the capsules. I wasn't referring to blending like with blend cc and fo.

I think the short answer is that you don't mix the two protocols. There is no point in it. Dr.Budwig was against taking FO capsules for the purpose of fighting cancer. It's like when you want to get to some place 100 miles away where the transportation of choice is the car and you ask how do I work a tricycle into it? You don't.

I wondered how much flaxseed oil person is getting then, taking capsules for one protocol and then also tablespoons with the Budwig protocol...

Basically it takes 9 to 10 FO capsules to make up 1 tblsp FO, but we are comparing different things. They seem to have their place in correcting some minor nutritional deficiency but not after things have derailed and a serious illness has surfaced. The straight FO in the capsules does not have the same effectiveness as the FO in the fo/cc mix. That refers directly to one of the fundamental principles of the Budwig Diet. Also, don't forget that with straight FO, there seems to be some risk involved. However, the quantity in FO capsules is so small that this may not be much of a concern.

...and wonder why person doesn't just increase amount of flaxseed oil in Budwig protocol rather than using the capsules.

I agree, just increasing the FO within the Budwig Protocol (i.e. fo/cc) would be the better way.

Wilhelm


----- Original Message -----
From: Barb
To: fso
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 10:50 AM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Re: Lisa: Flaxseed capsules


Re: flaxseed capsules and Budwig protocol
Wilhelm,
I know capsules aren't part of Budwig protocol.
What I meant was how are you 'blending' the two
different protocols, the Budwig protocol and the
other one she is using that calls for the
capsules. I wasn't referring to blending like
with blend cc and fo. I wondered how much
flaxseed oil person is getting then, taking
capsules for one protocol and then also
tablespoons with the Budwig protocol and wonder
why person doesn't just increase amount of
flaxseed oil in Budwig protocol rather than using
the capsules.

Barb,
Dr.Budwig was a "she" - Dr.Johanna Budwig.

As we discussed recently, she did not specifically refer to a hand held mixer because they probably did not exist in 1952 when she wrote her "Oil-Protein Diet" cookbook. She referred to an electric "Mischger?t" which can mean mixer or blender. Many of the blenders can go low or high speed and some of the hand held mixers have a variable speed control that allows low speed settings. Dr.Johanna Budwig simply was not specific about the speed and duration of mixing and whether any caution should be used. She was more concerned about the end result of having a smooth cream and no oil being visible anymore. This does not mean that there is no room for improvement if warranted - but is there really a problem? So far I have seen no indications of that. On the other hand, I would be more concerned about no mixing, insufficient mixing and improper mixing since there are indications suggesting that this can lead to less effectiveness.

The notion that high speed mixing or any severe mechanical agitation can cause damage to the proteins is claimed by certain people in the whey products business as an advantageous point of their product over others. How factual this is, is not quite clear to me. I gave more specifics about this, and why it is not a cause of undue concern for me at this time, 2 or 3 weeks ago in Msg # 20045.

"The contents of the dairy product" (i.e. the sulphurated proteins) do matter and they are not "just a delivery vehicle to deliver FO". These proteins are of great importance for the di-polarity that is required between the cell interior and its membrane.

Your comparison to making whipped cream is not applicable because there is a very different principle involved. By whipping cream, you force air bubbles into the cream and thereby fluff it up. You choose a beater or beater attachment that will force maximum air into the cream. By incorporating air into it, the surface volume of the cream increases, and thereby the aromatic quality intensifies. This fat-air bubble structure builds up slowly to a maximum and then breaks down rapidly when you mix it beyond that point as it then turns into butter.

With fo/cc you don't want air bubbles beaten into the mixture (even though some of it is unavoidable), you want to bond highly unsaturated fatty acids to proteins. Overmixing does not seem to break down that bond.

Wilhelm

Good question MJM.
Dr.Budwig does not recommend keeping the fo/cc mixture, or any prepared food for that matter, till the next day or the next meal. Everything is to be eaten as fresh as possible. One exception is Oleolux which can be stored for a number of days because the coconut oil protects the FO with which it is combined.

I know with Muesli it is easy because you mix 3 tblsp FO with 6 tbslp CC plus the other ingredients, eat it and that is the end of it. Whereas with "mayonnaise" and the "spread" you would like to mix some of it for the next meal(s) as well.

Keep in mind that any food that you make without preservatives begins declining shortly after you prepare it without you noticing it - until at some point it tastes "off" or rancid or is moldy.

Wilhelm


How long will mixtures last if made in advance:

1. fo/cc
2. mayonnaise
3. spread

Thanks

MJM

Re: flaxseed capsules and Budwig protocol
Wilhelm,
I know capsules aren't part of Budwig protocol.
What I meant was how are you 'blending' the two
different protocols, the Budwig protocol and the
other one she is using that calls for the
capsules. I wasn't referring to blending like
with blend cc and fo. I wondered how much
flaxseed oil person is getting then, taking
capsules for one protocol and then also
tablespoons with the Budwig protocol and wonder
why person doesn't just increase amount of
flaxseed oil in Budwig protocol rather than using
the capsules.


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--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Wilhelm Hansen"
<wilhelmh@t...> wrote:

Terry,
I don't know whether it is important to eat the Muesli in the

morning instead of later in the day - morning is what Dr.Budwig
recommends.

i use the muesili in the morning . morning is when i have always
eaten my oatmeal. the fo/cc with milk and fruit has been added
to the morning oatmeat ritual. Morning is best for me.

We have had a house guest recently so our routine has been
interrupted with late nights. So I have taken the fo/cc very early in
the AM befor my shower. Breakfast follows with cereal and fruit.
Someetimes i use FO on my salad. Last night I had a baked
potato with FO on it.

Happy eating, Tuna aka Charles

How long will mixtures last if made in advance:

1. fo/cc
2. mayonnaise
3. spread

Thanks

MJM

Terry,
I don't know whether it is important to eat the Muesli in the morning instead of later in the day - morning is what Dr.Budwig recommends. I know one woman who takes it early afternoon. I take it in the morning as per Dr.Budwig.

If I had to make up some reasons, I would say that taking it in the morning makes sense because: Muesli is eaten with fruit and morning is a good time for it. Muesli starts off the day nicely with the right nutrients and an energy boost. For those who need more FO than the 3 tblsp in Muesli, it provides the opportunity to have more fo/cc at lunch (as Dr.Budwig recommends) or later in the day.

Wilhelm


Wilhelm:

How important do you think it is that the Meusli be taken in the
morning? I often take mine either mid-morning or at lunch (various
job/home factors make it much more convenient to take it then).

Thanks,
Terry

Thanks, would like to have made a batch for the day at least.
MJM

Charles,
I went to Swansons and only non high lignan I could find was item
#SWE003. Is this the item you are using? The list of ingredients
were as follows "Proprietary Antioxidant blend (Rosemary, mixed
tocopherols, ascorbyl palmitate, citric acid).

Those individual ingredients are not necessarily bad but concerned
what it may do to the oil. However it would seem that it did not
hurt you but had great success and quickly. Did you make any other
changes in your diet like avoiding meat, etc?
Nelson

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "sunfish117" <carp43@m...> wrote:

Flaxseed oil should taste like linseed oil because that is what it

is.

Commercial linseed oil has chemicals added to preserve it and

should

never never never be used as food. I buy certified organic oil from
Swansons for around $17.00 a quart including shipping. I buy it

plain

and add ground flax seed to it when I mix focc. The price per 16 oz
bottle is actually $6.90. I buy 3 bottles at a time and put them
immediately in the refrigerator. I never eat it straight so I do

not

know what it taste like. I sometimes smell it and it always smells
fresh.
Charles




--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., Barb <barb1283@y...> wrote:

The flaxseed oil I bought the two days ago tastes
like linseed oil I think but it was in
refrigerator at store and also freshness date is
okay. How does one not waste money on oil that
has gone rancid? It is expensive to replace.
Can you order it direct or anything?



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--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., sansrx@a... wrote:

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sansrx@... wrote:

> PDG juice

I feed it to our 10 yr young Lab-Chow mixed with dry food, as well as drinking it myself (as I would with ACV)
Do we have something worthwhile here or am I shooting blanks?

Hi Ramn,

I love PDG and Jalapeos too and feel the do offer health benefits
to humans but garlic and onions can be fatal to dogs.
See:




Onion and garlic poisoning
Onions and garlic are other dangerous food ingredients that cause sickness in dogs, cats and also livestock. Onions and garlic contain the toxic ingredient thiosulphate. Onions are more of a danger.

Pets affected by onion toxicity will develop hemolytic anemia, where the pet's red blood cells burst while circulating in its body.

At first, pets affected by onion poisoning show gastroenteritis with vomiting and diarrhea. They will show no interest in food and will be dull and weak. The red pigment from the burst blood cells appears in an affected animal?s urine and it becomes breathless. The breathlessness occurs because the red blood cells that carry oxygen through the body are reduced in number.

The poisoning occurs a few days after the pet has eaten the onion. All forms of onion can be a problem including dehydrated onions, raw onions, cooked onions and table scraps containing cooked onions and/or garlic. Left over pizza, Chinese dishes and commercial baby food containing onion, sometimes fed as a supplement to young pets, can cause illness.

Onion poisoning can occur with a single ingestion of large quantities or with repeated meals containing small amounts of onion. A single meal of 600 to 800 grams of raw onion can be dangerous whereas a ten-kilogram dog, fed 150 grams of onion for several days, is also likely to develop anemia. The condition improves once the dog is prevented from eating any further onion

While garlic also contains the toxic ingredient thiosulphate, it seems that garlic is less toxic and large amounts would need to be eaten to cause illness.


BTW, I have two Chow dogs. :-)

--
Ken, Pookie and Sammy

--

Flaxseed oil should taste like linseed oil because that is what it is.
Commercial linseed oil has chemicals added to preserve it and should
never never never be used as food. I buy certified organic oil from
Swansons for around $17.00 a quart including shipping. I buy it plain
and add ground flax seed to it when I mix focc. The price per 16 oz
bottle is actually $6.90. I buy 3 bottles at a time and put them
immediately in the refrigerator. I never eat it straight so I do not
know what it taste like. I sometimes smell it and it always smells
fresh.
Charles

On Saturday 17 July 2004 01:06 pm, Barb wrote:

Re: freezing flaxseed oil.

***

Flax Oil doesn't freeze like ice; it simply gels. I have taken it out
of the freezer and in a few minutes it has liquified enough to pour a
little.

I get it by the case and leave it in the freezer except for the bottle I
am using.

Cliff

Barb, I just take the capsules, I could not stand the cottage
cheese. I take three capsules a day. It is not much oil at all.
Maybe a teaspoon. Mine is more for the brain so it works differently
for me. As for the cancer side, it probably is different.
Lisa