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Only question I would ask about bought organic sauerkraut is "has it
been boiled to destroy microorganisms and which also has destroyed
enzymes? I think for such a product to be sold in stores to the public,
it has to be boiled and sealed, and that such a process would kill pro-
biotic bacteria and would destroy enzymes...

Not sure if that is the case. Perhaps someone else can chime in...?

Can we just buy ready made from organic groceries?
Thanks,
Karine

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "breathedeepnow" <aug20@m...>
wrote:

"Wilhelm has, several times, put the amount in terms of how much fo/cc
to how many pounds of body weight."


How much is that, please? I probably have missed that info in the
files/messages... Thank you! - Angela

I still think we should never "give up", meaning, we should not limit
ourselves by thinking that such a collection of raw data would be
impossible to analyze. I am doing my PhD in Engineering and I have
read many various research articles where people had no control over
the factors but they could still discover something valuable, either
by hard work, by being genius or by pure luck. Sometimes big answers
might be in simple observations and simple tests. Since ancient times
people have found the functional role of herbs and foods, not by
doing control studies and lab analysis but by simple observations.
Even nowedays our grandmoms treat us sometimes based on their life
experiences and what they have learnt from their mothers.


I do think such a collection of raw data to the best of our knowledge
would be an invaluable material for some scientists who know a lot
about biology and chemistry and physics to analyze and understand why
some protocols failed and some didn't. We should not give up because
of such fears, that's not how big minds have gone beyond human
limitations.... Sometimes taking big risks bring big outcomes... I
think I am a risk taker, plus like to learn and analyze everything
around me, I like to find a rood cause. Although most of the time I
have failed but those few instances where I succeeded it was worth
all the efforts...

I have checked literature for what kinds of books have been published
besides Gerson therapy, or Hulda Clark claims. I was looking for
books published by ordinary people who claim they cured their own
cancer and I couldn't find any book that contained JB protocol. A few
books that some women wrote about their experience in dealing with
breast cancer shows they had conventional chemotherapy, mastectomy,
etc, no book on someone who cured him/herself of cancer using
alternative medicine without supervision from Gerson, Clark or JB...
If you know one that is worth reading, please feel free to share with
me.

Just my 2 cents.
Thanks,
Karine

Is fo/cc a general immunity system builder, or is it specifically a
cancer cell destroyer?

I have a friend who gets colds too often, probably needs immunity work.

Thanks.

Liz

Anna wrote:

"Drug companies are already looking into giving chemo to clients,
from which
they have got their genetic makeup from, and marrying them up to the
substances that best kill the tumor, so there is no more playing
russian
roulette."

But of course, the drug companies and the researchers are always
barking up the wrong tree. Their methodology of treating cancer is
incorrect from the start. So whatever they come up with will
ultimately ineffective. The drug companies and the researchers insist
on seeing things "piecemeal"---the parts of the body, the cancer, the
emotions, thoughts, spirit and so on. Until they realize the
necessity of treating cancer holistically, they will not get far, and
will do more damage than good.

There are several places one can go to try to "match" tumor tissue to
specific chemo"therapy" drugs. But even many oncologists know such
efforts are futile, because what happens in a test tube or a petrie
dish is a million times less complicated than what is happening in
the body, mind and spirit of a living, breathing human being.

Thank you, Barbara.

Yes, I agree. Even if the FDA and the Powers That Be allowed testing of
the Budwig Protocol, no test could be put together that would yield
publishable results. Too many variables. Not that there are not the
same kinds of variables in tests for new chemo"therapy" drugs, but of
course, the FDA and the Powers That Be are IN FAVOR of chemo"therapy."

this list. We can end up discussing how much flax oil to take for 20 or
30 messages, when the fact of how much to take is clearly stated in the
files section. Have you found any other website/chat board that has
information/recipes and so on taken DIRECTLY from the teachings of Dr.
Budwig? No, I know you have not. So I stick with my message about not
surfing the internet to find outlandish statements about flax oil and
bringing them to this list as questions. I am not the moderator, of
course. That is my own opinion.

Best wishes,

Elliot

Hi, Anna.

Yes, certainly she has had more than an adequate number of tests. It is
not at all unsual for MD's to "do all the tests" and still not be able
to diagnose what is causing a particular symptom or symptoms. And the
more tests they do, the more likely it is one of them will show
something unfavorable, and then they will want to do more tests because
of that, and so on and on....

Anna, I do not mean to beat a dead horse, but this phrase:

"Good to hear your tumor has..."

goes against neuropsychopharmacological tenets, as it is claiming the
cancer as "mine." Since you do guided imagery, I would think you would
bemore sensitive than anyone about the power of words to influence dis-
ease. I never refer to cancer as "my cancer" or "your cancer." I always
call it "THE cancer." I do NOT want it, and I am sending it back to
wherever it came from. It is NOT "mine."

Thank you and best wishes,

Elliot

stabilised --- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "Farkas"

<rafarkas@a...> wrote:

Eliott,

I guess you have to take the good with the bad. Good to hear your

tumor has

stabilised, from here on it will go down.

Is your mother on medication? And has been subjected to any scans to
ascertain the health of the internal organs?

Anna

In a message dated 5/13/05 11:06:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
liz_brown67@... writes:

cancer cell destroyer?

I love this terminology. It is helpful for me :)

Neenah and Karine,
this subject has come up before. And unfortunately no one is prepared to do
this. However I also hear what Neenah is saying, that it would be impossible
to know for sure what works in the cancer client.

What I propose should happen, is a future where cancer clients will be able
to go to a place where there is a list of all the different cancers and the
recepient can use the particular protocol that is closest to the description
of the type of cancer.

Drug companies are already looking into giving chemo to clients, from which
they have got their genetic makeup from, and marrying them up to the
substances that best kill the tumor, so there is no more playing russian
roulette.

Anna

In a message dated 5/12/2005 3:02:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
aug20@... writes:

The good news is that the tumor in my neck is
not growing, and that I am actually feeling in good over-all health.




That is good news, Elliot. Sorry about the bronchitis. Nasty time of year
for that. Also, sorry about your Mom. But it sure sounds like she's in good
hands.
Take care,
BarbF

Hi,

A great study for those who love omega 3 fatty acids!!



Ekta

Karine.

Your proposal was a good thought, but it doesn't seem feasible to me
because any scientific study attempts to limit variables and to have
a control group.

There are so many variables with a group as diverse as this one
which includes people who differ by age, race, gender, nationality,
location, exposure to environmental toxins at home/work/general
environment, eating habits, exercise habits, emotional and mental
outlook, other health-related issues, social supports, type of
cancer, whether the person had surgery, chemotherapy, and/or
radiation (how much, for how long?), supplements taken (how much/how
long), length of time using the Budwig formula, how strictly they
adhered to her diet, etc.

Even if you were successful in getting people to submit the data,
you would have to try to correlate it with results achieved! I think
it would be very difficult.

Neenah

IGNORE MY LAST MESSAGE. I found the photo. I went to the flaxseedoil2
site and clicked on photos.

By the way, where is Miz Judy? We haven't heard from her for many many
months. Who is in the picture that says Who are we?

Carolyn

I tried the photo web site and I got an error message. I would love to
see the photo!!! How can I get there?

Thanks,
Carolyn

Relax, surfing the web is how I first heard of flax seed oil, and
second, and third, and forth and fifth and and and -

There are so many methods of fighting cancer being tried, it's hard to
sort it all out.

I've heard about fo/cc from enough different sources that it seems
worth investigating, but of course by the time I found this group
there's already a lot of mush in my brain and I don't know what I read
here or elsewhere.

Be a little gentle with a confused newcomer! :)

Liz

Eliott,

I guess you have to take the good with the bad. Good to hear your tumor has
stabilised, from here on it will go down.

Is your mother on medication? And has been subjected to any scans to
ascertain the health of the internal organs?

Anna

Hello Luc,

Now that the first French translations are embedded in our files, I want to thank you for your effort and great job done. This way this list can be of greater help to French speaking members who have difficulty reading English. Thank you Luc for the translations, and thank you Rebecca for being instrumental in getting this translation project going.

To All,
Luc has worked diligently behind the scene to translate some of our files and some excerpts from Dr. Budwig's books. It takes a lot of time and commitment. For the sake of clarity, the French files are structured with the same numbering system as the English files, except that they begin with an "F". Therefore, file F3 - FSO2 - should contain basically the same information as 3 - FSO2 - etc.

Wilhelm



Hello,

It is my first post on this group. I have discovered Dr Budwig's work
and this group two years ago, and ordered her two books in English.
As French-speaking, I found nothing from Dr Budwig's work in French,
unless recipes of "Crème Budwig", sometimes fanciful(FO replaced
by sunflower oil, for example, probably because FO is forbidden in
France).
So, I started to translate some files and excerpts from her books to
French.
You can find them in 'Files' F3 F5 F9.

Thanks to all, especially Rebecca and Wilhelm.

Luc

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