开云体育

Wong,
companion nutrients are not part of the Budwig Protocol.
Dr. Budwig didn't mention them in anything that I read.
See message # 16211 for some other reasons.

Wilhelm

Hi, Nelson.

Yes, I think the cabbage recipe in the files needs some checking into
and tweaking. I made a large batch exactly according to the recipe, and
it is undrinkable because of the taste. There is something rotten,
rather than sour about it. The juice from the soured cabbage I made
using soured vegetable started was very good. But the recipe from the
files made juice such that it is only good for watering plants with.
Anyone else have similar results? Or can somone point out what I might
have done wrong? I did cover the liquified cabbage immediately after
putting it through the blender, so I do not think some wrong
microorganism got into it. The recipe actually could not be more
straightforward. I cannot understand what happened. At least it is not
expensive to make, so negligible money lost.

Elliot

I got the following recipe on making cottage cheese (called Paneer in
Asia) without rennet or cheese starter kits. I wonder if the
resulting cottage cheese is suitable as the 'normal' cottage cheese
with FO.

The recipe :-

1. Bring to boil 3 litres (1 gallon) of whole milk.
2. Remove milk from heat. Add two tablespoons lemon juice and stir
for 2-3 minutes until small curds separate from whey
3. Leave 10 minutes for curds to form.
4. Drain into a collander lined with 2 layers of cheesecloth. When
cool enough to handle, tie up opposite ends of the cheese cloth and
squeeze out remaining liquid.
5. Pour off any liquid that remains and refrigerate overnight, or use
immediately by cutting cheese into 1/2" cubes and frying gently in
oil, turning to brown each side.


Any comments are welcomed. Thanks.

Well Carolyn, there is always joy when people are doing well. Out of curiosity I checked the Life Expectancy using the Life Insurance Mortality tables and at age 90 a female is expected to live 4.64 years. Obviously some will live longer and others shorter, but that is the Life Expectancy.

One wonders, what were the figures prior to surgery? Perhaps, depending upon the actual malignancy did this woman have a 'different' life expectancy? Perhaps not. Perhaps yes. If she was 90 when she had the operations, four months of her life expectancy is already gone.

What reaction to the surgery will there be that may shorten the 4.64 year expectancy? We do not know. At 90, she has already surpassed what many have hoped for so applaud her for reaching that magical age. As for surgery in other nations? There is the likelihood that even in advanced Great Britain they would not have provided her with surgery unless she paid for it herself. Not at 90. Personally? At age 90, I would have opted 'out' of the surgical path but then again that's me.

Joe C.

I have to tell you all this amazing story. My friend's mother was diagnosed in January with cancer of the uterus. SHE IS 90. The doctors wanted to do a hysterectomy. I was shocked that serious surgery like that would happen to a 90- year-old lady who is also a diabetic.

She came through the surgery quite well and by April she was back to her normal life living INDEPENDENTLY in her apartment. Imagine that. My friend told me that 10 years ago, doctors probably would not have operated on her, but things have changed and surgery is done more and more now with older patients. Isn't that totally amazing?

Carolyn

I was diagnosed with 2c ovarian cancer of the granulosa cell type
which is only diagnosed in only about 2% of the women who have
ovarian cancer. I had the full hysterectomy in January (although
they didn't take out the omentum). So far there has been no post-
treatment recommended.
I have been given a few tests like CA125 which is really not for
this type, but they gave it anyway. It read 6. The test for this
type is Inhibin B and that came back 5.5, with normal being 40 and
under. So far so good. But a CT scan (which I took before I read
the postings on CT scans) showed some little spots which they want
to watch. They don't want to start "shooting wild" as they said by
giving me chemo or radiation until they know if it is "something".
So they want to do another CT scan for comparison to see if these
spots have grown. They will then decide about treatment
recommendations.
Meanwhile I have been taking lots of antioxidants, supplements, the
Budwig mix, saunas, essiac tea, etc. I am taking these things now
in "treatment" dosages. Will my body build up a tolerance level or
a resistance to them so that the amounts I am taking now will not be
adequate treatment if tests should show that I have cancer growing
actively again? I understand that these things are also useful in
prevention, not just treatment, and that there are different
recommendations for dosages. At this point, should I just be taking
a "prevention or maintenance" dosage rather than the
higher "treatment" dosages which are recommended for active tumors?

I made a small batch of the sauerkraut juice last week (small meaning
that I filled the blender with cabbage and some distilled water only
the one time, since I was low on cabbage). I noticed the separation
also and stirred it a few times. Then I got a little nervous as to
how it was going to taste and whether it was really going rotten so I
reverted to my old sauerkraut making practice and put in a couple of
pinches of pickling salt. Is that a major no-no? It sure ended up
tasting more like the juice from my home made shredded sauerkraut. It
was a bit milder because I only put a very little pickling salt in it
and of course it didn't bubble away in a big crock for as much time as
the shredded cabbage takes to brew. Not bad, but I am worried about
offensive GAS around other people so I haven't really been taking it
regularly yet.
Please someone tell me if the salt is okay. Thanks

Hi All (including Barb R, Syd, Esther and Marilyn ...

I'm responding to those of with stage 1V disease and to those of you wondering if you should continue with chemo while following the JB protocol, or to abandon chemo altogether and take the leap of fait that the JB protocol will work and get rid of those cancerous tumors. It really is quite a dilemma that only a person who has actually received the cancer diagnosis and all that goes with it, can understand. When one is faced with the reality of an early death (I was 53 at diagnosis. I call that EARLY) and when that person has zero medical knowledge (Allopathic or Alternative), she (he) seizes every opportunity available to live longer and spend more time on this earth with those she/he loves. And yes, that solution, chemo and surgery ... albeit temporary in most cases, is all that most of us are offered at that black, horrifying time in our lives. So, it isn't a cut and dried thing to decide. A person has to experience it to know it.

Seeing as I had been off chemo for a year when I was led the JB's wonderful work (2000), I never had to make that particular chemo decision, so in reality, I don't know what I'd do (not much help huh?) I think when I presented with Stage 1V Ovarian Cancer (BTW, there isn't a Stage 5), that in my particular situation it may have been too late for me because by that time I had 'massive' pulmonary embolisms (was on oxygen) and blood clots in one leg (DVT) and so much ascites (malignant fluid in abdominal cavity) I couldn't put on my own shoes. Indeed, I was an absolute mess!

As Marilyn said, the 6- cycle course of Taxol and Carboplatin chemo-therapy is prescribed to all women diagnosed with Ovarian Cancer. It is the 'Golden standard' treatment for this disease. This so-called 'Golden standard' for first line treatment is initially successful for 80% of those women but sadly 70-90% of those successes will reoccur and that's when the trouble starts because Ovarian Cancer is well known for developing resistance very quickly to subsequent (different) chemo's that are tried in rapid succession. Marilyn articulated so well how the Tumor Marker for Ovarian Cancer works (the Ca 125), and like Marilyn, the marker has been an effective monitoring tool for me. At diagnosis it was 9,800 and at the present time it is 7. I am so happy for you Marilyn that the JB protocol is working for you. I'm ecstatic that your numbers are falling!! Oh! What good news that is!

When I found this wonderful group about 5 years ago, it was exactly what I'd been looking for. My idealistic view of life through 'rose coloured spectacles' really loved the idea that this protocol was FOOD and deep inside I've always believed that cures for all diseases should be available to all, in a natural way. Dr Budwig's research and her amazing results, appealed to my inner senses of right and wrong. It just seems RIGHT! Every morning when I eat my JB breakfast, I get an overwhelming sense of well being and that everything is right with me and the world.

I agree with Elliot that if the first cycle of chemo works, then it's all well and good, but although subsequent chemo cycles may indeed extend the patient's life to some degree, quality of life in most cases, is diminished substantially, as Marilyn alluded to.

Marilyn, I truly admire how you've taken charge of your life and opted for 'quality of life' rather than feeling 'under-the-weather' while undergoing chemo treatments. I'm so, so happy that you've opted for the JB plan and seeing your Ca 125 FALLING as it is ... Well, you should be celebrating!! And me? I'm delighted to say that my remission is continuing (5.5 years) and I've been discharged from the Cancer clinic.

Bye for now ...
Sandy Lightfoot.

Somewhere I read about a simple test one can do by oneself to tell
if they have cancer but I can't remember if it was in a book by
Dr.Kelly or where?I also was worried about the biopsy spreading the
cancer and mine did not grow for 6 months afterwards so I was a
lucky one in that respect.I have not read if latrile and the flax
oil diet would conflict.I know it is B17 and technically a
supplement.I changed to Barleans and am now grinding the seeds.I was
doing the GEIPE treatment with electric voltage 4milliamps but the
electrodes make me itch so badly that I don't think I can continue.
It burns me and it is difficult to adjust the voltage to keep it at
4.Bill Henderson and the doctors at the Oasis of Hope say to try 3
approaches at once.It is difficult to find things that work well
with Dr. Budwig.I take probonics instead of the saurkraut. They did
not have such good stuff when she practiced like FOS in most brands
now. I have a screaming grandbaby I am trying to calm down and
chopping the cabbage is just not easy to do.I bought him Calm Child
from Whole Foods and it has catnip in it. I have yet to see him
chase his tail but he does give me impish grins when I give it to
him!!!I am hoping that he is calm enought to deal with going out to
Mother's Day dinner!!HAppy Mother's Day to all the others out there!!
Rosalind

Gang,
I made some cabbage juice as per the files. Pretty tough stuff to
drink tase wise. On the 2nd batch it seemed to be pretty mild in taste
as compared to the first. I used a cup of the original and let it work
for 24 hrs plus. Also the material seems to separate while working--
does it need to be stired?? Any comments.

Nelson

Does any one know how well FO/CC works for Diabetes? I just found out
my cousin had to have her toes cut off because of complications from
her diabetes. Thanks.

In a message dated 5/8/05 12:57:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
txbabee2000@... writes:

I also was worried about the biopsy spreading the
cancer and mine did not grow for 6 months afterwards so I was a
lucky one in that respect.

I'm not sure your age, but I am speaking in terms of agressive cancers, which
are more common in pre-menopausal women.

I had a tumor that went from 1.4 to 1.8 cm beteen mammogram and biopsy, from
1.8 to 2.5 between biopsy and lumpectomy, at which point it was in the nodes
and blood vessels. THis was an 11 day span. My fear that it went farther is
the only reason I finally assented to chemo. Also, there wasn't that much else
to do about it as I already was eating a healthy organic diet (I was nursing a
baby). I wasn't educated really on the Budwig protocol then. I did try hard
to avoid both the mammo and the biopsy, wanting a lumpectomy based on a very
clear sonogram picture (they work great in young breasts) but the surgeon
wouldn't assent to do things my way.

I think that going on the Budwig protocol the moment I felt the lump and
skipping the mammogram and biopsy would have made the difference in not "needing"
chemo. Perhaps in my life. According to the charts I have a 30% chance of
making it to my moms age now. I think things could have been different.

vanessa

Hi, Carolyn.

My mother was having blood in her stool last week---both red blood
and black("tarry" stool.) She also vomited throughout the night obe
night last week. Her doctor had her enter the hospital for tests.
Stomach test was negitive. Colonoscopy revealed 5 polyps, all of
which were removed. She also has suffered from hemmorhoids for many
years. She was given a PET scan of chest and abdomen today at 1 AM. I
am not at all sure why they had to do the PET at 1 AM. I cannot
believe there was a state of emergency making it necessary not to
wait till the next day to do the scan.

My mother is going on 83 years old. I have told her that if there is
a diagnosis of cancer, she is too old and frail to think about
getting chemotherapy or radiation. Surgery can be very invasive, too,
of course... I have asked her to tell her internist it is ok for him
to speak with me. I put in a call to him last week, and he did not
phone me back over the "privacy" issue. I will do all I can to make
sure the doctors do not turn my elderly mom into a "piece of meat"---
that is, into a dis-ease with a body attached to it. I want her to
get through with the tests and get herself out of the hospital.

Best wishes,

Elliot

On May 6, 2005, at 6:35 PM, Syd Monk wrote:

Your friend should get sigmoidoscopy where they put a scope up you
and look
at the colon, also known as a colonoscopy.? To not do so would be very
foolish.? It could save his life if he does have cancer and they
catch it
soon enough.

Syd

Syd,

These are two different things. Colonoscopy is the gold standard and
the one to request. Polyps can be removed during the colonoscopy.
Sigmoidoscopy is limited because it only covers the first portion of
your colon - up to the first major bend in the colon.

Syd, how old are you? Just curious. A few of my relatives have had
colon cancer at very young ages, including my father when he was only
39.

Please keep us informed of your progress. Tell us what works and what
doesn't work for you.

Carolyn

Hi, Marilyn.

Well, I guess. But chemotherapy is supposed to be quick acting. If it
does not do the job quickly, it is not going to do the job.

111B? What are the other 110 stages?

So you had no more than 8 treatments? And then more treatments when the
cancer recurred? Glad you turned down radiation to the neck. After
radiation to the neck, you can kiss your teeth goodbye.

By the way, with regard to your being glad to be anywhere at all,
actually, now that you are here, you will ALWAYS be someplace, even if
you are not in the particular dimension in which you are now. :+)

Very best wishes for your recovery via Budwig Protocol!

Elliot

Dear Elliott,

Ovarian cancer diagnosed beyond stage 111B is routinely treated the same way. There are exceptions but as a rule it means surgery to remove as much disease/tumor burden as possible. It's called debulking. Surgery is generally followed by a series of Chemo tx to target remaining (residual) disease. A popular combination is Carboplatin/Taxol depending on a number of things such as resistance, tolerance, etc. This was mine. There are others. A tx is given every 3 wks. for a max of 6 to 8. That's standard w/this combination.

Remember...my cancer (blood) marker was at 1400 prior to surgery. I did drop significantly after EACH treatment. I was below 10 after the 8th and final tx of carbo/taxol.

I wasn't on chemo the entire 3 yrs. I meant that I stayed under treatment for 3 yrs. If scans/test/numbers, indicate recurring disease, often it means more surgery followed nearly always by more chemo and/or radiation. This was my pattern (no radiation). I had reaction to 2 different chemo drugs that were tried so they couldn't be used. I was finally put on Topotecan for 5 mos. I responded (my counts went down small amounts) with each tx but the side effects were difficult and became debilitating so were stopped. I recurred in my neck lymph. Three yrs had passed since diagnosis. Radiation was suggested by my Onc. At this point I went in search of a less abusive and brutal way to treat this body while it could still function.

So yes, chemotherapy can become a vicious circle and some tumors or parts thereof nearly always develop a resistance to the poisons. They are (chemo drugs) very deadly poisons. I didn't arrive at this stumbling block in my journey through this life knowing all I know now.

It brought me here and I'm feeling very fortunate to 'be' anywhere at all.

Marilyn S.

Mike,

Well, you know, the party in question was specifically concerned that he
might have colon cancer, or at least that was my understanding. There
is still only one way to know for sure if you have colon cancer for sure
and that is a colonoscopy. I agree about the cuting part, cutting
spreads it, but he still needs to get scoped if he wants to know if he
has it.

Exactly, Syd. Do the procedure, but know for sure that *looking* is all
they're going to do.

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdevour@... ]
[Speaking only for myself... ]

Mike,

Well, you know, the party in question was specifically concerned that he might have colon cancer, or at least that was my understanding. There is still only one way to know for sure if you have colon cancer for sure and that is a colonoscopy. I agree about the cuting part, cutting spreads it, but he still needs to get scoped if he wants to know if he has it.

Syd

Cheers, Marilyn. I'm glad you are here!

vanessa


mjsimpson39@... writes:

One of our members recently said:

"I underwent 2 surgeries and 3 years of Chemo only to have it
metastasize to my
neck lymph in July 2003."

I know I am repeating myself when I say this, but chemotherapy is
simply NOT something one takes for 3 years. In fact, chemotherapy is
something one does NOT take if there is no significant shrinkage from
it after just two treatments!

Anyone who does not believe this, just find yourself an oncologist,
look him/her straight in the eye and ask, "If a person gets two
chemotherapy treatments and there is no shrinkage of the tumor after
the second one, what is the point in continuing treatment?"

At least, if chemotherapy does not work at all after 2 treatments,
the chemotherapy drugs being given should be changed.

If chemotherapy does nothing to the tumor after 2 treatments, and one
continues getting chemotherapy, then all one is doing is damaging the
immune system further and further,(and maybe even making the cancer
more and more resistant!)

Of course, the bottom line about chemotherapy is that even if it does
shrink the tumor, the part of the tumor that is resistant to the
chemotherapy grows back and must be treated with something else.

An oncologist who administers 3 years of chemotherapy when the
client's tests are showing no improvement should lose his/her license
to practice medicine!