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Re: I'm a newcomer...breast cancer

 

Janet,

2 years ago when I was first dx, I was e+ and then they said her2+, but when
they sent the sample to the US for a FISH test ( this was done so that I
could qualify for a study; be very cautious when they say they want you in a
study for a new drug!)and the test came back as negative.

This proves that a second opinion is always worth it, and that I trusted my
gut instinct that it was impossible that I was her2+. Of course I also
declined chemo.

Incidentally I had a masectomy when I was first dx and a year later here I
am with a dxs again. I had 2 nodes affected of the 13 they removed.

I had 1-2 swallon nodes recently, but I am sure they have reduced when I
checked them today. I have been putting a poultice of plantain on them 2x a
day. I pick these from the garden.

Anna


Re: How do you determine your progress?

 

Anna wrote:
I know this may sound too way out for some peolpe, but I just listen to my
body for knowing if things are going right or not.
Some will consider it "spot on" ;-)

Ulla


Re: Progress

 

Have you had a second opinion? Or a third?

Anna

----- Original Message -----
From: "cvetanovicsuzana" <smc566560@...>

The CT scan I made(I had to do it - here is not possible to get more
accurate screaning than CT) and X-ray (mandatory for everybody who
visits his doctor) had not shown any spots at the right side), but
my lymph nodes (there are five at each side) are swollen. Those
which are very close to aorta.
However, the doctor now insists on chemotherapy plus radiation
(never mentioned before). I refused.
Half of me is very happy because there is nothing left at the right
side, but the other half is not.
What would you do? Should I increase the FO/CC? At this moment I
take FO 100ml per day. Any advice appreciated. Thanks > Suzana


Re: powder vegetable drink mix?

 

Those ingredients are alkalising in the body, which is good, it means that
it oxygenates the body. And the ingredients are immune boosting. This means
that it promotes the production of immune cells and supports it.

Anna

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela" <pamelayoo@...>
To: <FlaxSeedOil2@...>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] powder vegetable drink mix?

I was just wondering what everyone else's opinions on this was.
Would it be okay to add this into his diet? We do not plan on
subsitituing fresh organi vegetables for this product.


Re: I'm a newcomer...breast cancer

 

Janet I have inserted my answers into your letter below,

love Anna

----- Original Message -----
From: "jjohnsonpesenti" <janettheflowerfarm@...>

I did a 30 day juice fast with liver/gall bladder, kidney/bladder,
and colon cleansing. This program included enemas, hot/cold shower
treatments and artificially induced fevers. I never worked so hard
for a month in my life. I was sure my 30 day mamogram would show
great improvement, but Tuesday was a really hard day when I was >told it had grown 1/2 centimeter.
Imagine if you had not done the cleansing program, it have grown more! The cleansing is only the first step up to better health. The next will be the mind, cleansing it of toxic thoughts.

I discovered Dr. Budwig's program part way through this time and am using it now. The surgeon called today and wants to cut it out, the >radiologist said it looks very aggressive from the mamo and the >increase in such a short time.
Did you ask how they can rate the agressiveness from the mammo? Always question their diagnosis and their statements. That's the first rule. Do not put complete faith in the doctor. You have to have complete faith in yourself. There is a doctor within you.

I am premenopausal and the tumor is only very weakly responsive to
estrogen.
How have they established the estrogen receptors. Have you had a needle biopsy?

My reasoning behind having the surgery would be to take the load >off my body to help it heal. Any thoughts on this thinking??
I don't know where this statement came from. I suspect a doctor, but the removal of tumors that are in my opinion less than 5cm is not going to give your immune system a break. I have no stats, only what I have read in books and studies, but the rate of recurrence of cancer in people who have had surgery does not change. In fact the anaesthetic is detrimental to the immune system. It has been said that the anaesthetic will remain in the body for up to 12 months.

Also half of my family has been diagnosed with lymphoma in the last >4 years and I am wondering if my body is fighting something else >too.
Do you live in a highly populated area? In Israel the government, after consultation with the scientists and researchers have banned some chemicals, I don't know which ones, that were known to cause breast cancer. Their breast cancer incidence has dropped dramatically since then. So look in your cupboards, the air you breath, the water you drink and even the sprays you use in the garden or kitchen to kill insects or clean surfaces with, if these have toxic chemicals in them. I bet you they have.

I am currently taking about 6 TBS of FO everyday...it's only been >about 4 days. Also after surgery I am going straight to a Gerson >clinic where they have agreed I can continue with the CC/FO.
I think the main diff. with JB and Gerson is the coffee enemas and the fo/cc I believe that they would compliment each other.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that JB said she would get results from this diet in 3 months. The cancer of the breast I have continued to grow, but I persevered and under the supervision of an excellent Russian naturopath, I got results in 4 months. You will need to go in the achives messages to get my history. My story is too long to explain. But in short one tumor reduced to 25 % with no further growth.


Re: How do you determine your progress?

 

I know this may sound too way out for some peolpe, but I just listen to my body for knowing if things are going right or not.

Elliot will tell you that scans are to be used, if at all, very carefully.

Anna

----- Original Message -----
From: <luv2ski5009@...>

I have been doing the budwig protocol for about 2 weeks now. I'm
wondering how some of you track your progress on the diet.


Re: How do you determine your progress?

JCASTRON
 

There are many that will advise that Scans carry a sufficient risk as to be avoided.

These are decisions only you can make.

I have heard that one CT-Scan is equal to 100 Chest X-Rays. Would I take 100 Chest X-Rays? Why would I inflict that on already diseased organs? However that is me.

I would think, if I had your diagnosis and it is me speaking, that I already know I have the illness and after only a couple of weeks what could I learn?

Even a 'tumor response' indicating shrinkage would not tell me I was getting better because of the other factors. Then scans, like all tests, do not reveal everything and you would still be flying blind so to speak.

These are not easy decisions Esther and I would hope that more experienced people on the list would enter the discussion. Again Esther, it is your decision.

Are you doing the alternative protocols on your own without any assistance from any 'professionals'????

Good luck with what your efforts are and keep up trying.

Joe C.


Re: Full Body Scans & Radiation

 

This refers to full body scans and radiation as shown on the American Cancer
website.
Clearly the part about the radiation being equal to some of the survivors
at Hirshoima and Nagasaki is not very comforting.

Maria

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People who opt for a full-body CT scan as a way to screen for cancer may be
getting a bigger dose of radiation than they bargained for.

Full-Body CT Scans: Too Much Radiation? Study Finds High Potential Doses, but Other Scan Dangers Likely Worse Article date: 2004/09/03
Those full-body CT scans advertised at some health care centers may be
delivering as much radiation as a low-dose atomic bomb, according to a new study.
And that means people who get them could be raising their cancer risk,
researchers from Columbia University report in the journal Radiology (Vol. 232, No.
3:735-738).
"The radiation dose from a full-body CT scan is comparable to the doses
received by some of the atomic bomb survivors from Hiroshima and Nagasaki, where
there is clear evidence of increased cancer risk," said David J. Brenner,
PhD, D.Sc, lead author of the study and professor of radiation oncology and
public health at Columbia University in New York.

Scans Not Suitable Screening Tool

The study is sure to add fuel to the already hot controversy over full-body
computed tomography scans.
The scans are marketed as a way for healthy people to find diseases like
lung cancer or colon cancer before symptoms become apparent. But many experts
say there's little evidence the scans actually work as a screening tool. No
studies have been done to determine whether screening for disease in this way
actually saves lives or improves people's outcomes.
"Leading scientific and medical organizations not only do not endorse
full-body CT screening, but also caution against use of this test," said Robert
Smith, PhD, director of cancer screening for the American Cancer Society.
For one thing, the scans may show a person has nothing wrong when in fact
there is disease present. Because the patient thinks he's healthy, he may not
get other screening tests that could find his disease early.
Another problem: The scans may wrongly identify normal areas as suspicious.
To know for sure, though, the patient must undergo costly and potentially
risky invasive procedures to get a definitive diagnosis.

"The risk-benefit equation changes dramatically for adults who are referred
for CT scans for medical diagnosis," Brenner said. "Diagnostic benefits far
outweigh the risks."


Re: Progress

Suzana Cvetanovic
 

Hi Cheryl
In the Breuss cure book it is recomended to use allready prepared juice from Switzerland, BIOTA, because nowaday nobody can quarantee you have 100% organic vegetable unless you have your own garden.
And yes, it has 55% beet root, 20% celery, 20%
carrot, 3% potato, and 2% radish juice.

Thank you for the advice

Suzana


Re: Rudolf Breuss Juice - please advise

Suzana Cvetanovic
 

Hello
I did Breuss for 31 days and honestly, do not have a clue why someone should not take more than 500 ml per day. But, this is a fast that could be good reason, juice is only a tool to help your body to get rid of toxins.
I, myself, could hardly drink more that 125ml per day, which is recommended dose.
Do not forget you are not supposed to drink it and eat, which means in order to drink a glass of 125 ml you need at least half hour.
Suzana


Re: I'm a newcomer...breast cancer

jjohnsonpesenti
 

Hi Cheryl, thank you so much for your warm welcome. You can't imagine
the feeling when I read that a healer told you Budwig/Gerson
combination is very powerful. I almost cried. I have been doing
research on my own for a month and this is my first try at alternative
and these were my top two choices. I am actually very healthy, no
physical symptoms or problems (other than worried sick about this and
I'm going for some hypnotherapy tomorrow). I am still considering
surgery to take the load off, mainly because how aggressive it is and
because of my family's lymphoma. I will keep you all posted, and many
thanks to all of you who wrote...Ren, Esther, Barb, Cindy, Rhoda and all
the rest.
Hugs to all of you, Janet


Hi Janet,

Welcome to our group of fo/cc users. Please inform us of your
progress
with the Gerson/Budwig protocol mix. Just last week, a very well
informed healer who has full knowledge of the Budwig protocol said to
me that the Budwig/Gerson combination is very powerful.

I would love to know how you are doing.

Lots of strongs and blessings
Cheryl


Re: Breuss Juice

 

In the Breuss book, as I understood it, the (simplified) reason why he
recommended such small amounts of juice was that he wanted to stimulate detoxing
but he also believed the body would feed off of the protein in cancer for
sustenence if it had nothing else. It is a novel idea, and a very interesting
book.
Terry


Re: Rudolf Breuss Juice - please advise

Cheryl du Toit
 

Hi Edmond,

The Breuss juice is a powerful detoxing juice and if you have serious cancer
your body might not be able to cope with the detoxing effects of the juice.
That is how I understand it.

Maybe somebody else can give you a better explanation.
Cheryl

Subject: [FlaxSeedOil2] Rudolf Breuss Juice - please advise

I have read a translated book of Rudolf Breuss juice saying it is not
recommended to take more than 500ml per day. Anyone can advise me the
reasons or the harmful side effects behind the staement.

Thank you!

Yours sincerely

Edmond


Re: Progress

Cheryl du Toit
 

Hi Suzana,

Very often cancer patients have swollen lymph nodes. It is a sign that your
lymph is blocked with toxins because of the cancer and the lymph has to
fight so hard to get rid of the toxins. In other words, swollen lymph nodes
is a visible sign that your body wants to get rid of all those toxins.
Maybe you should do some lymph work - to get the lymph moving. Deep
breathing exercises, dry body brushing before you take your shower or bath,
use your shower as hydrotherapy by alternating hot/cold and maybe deep body
massages including lymph drainage massaging.

Just for interest sake, did you do the Breuss 55% beet root, 20% celery, 20%
carrot, 3% potato, and 2% radish juice on your fast?

Keep well and strongs
Cheryl



Hi

but
my lymph nodes (there are five at each side) are swollen. Those
which are very close to aorta.
However, the doctor now insists on chemotherapy plus radiation
(never mentioned before). I refused.
Half of me is very happy because there is nothing left at the right
side, but the other half is not.
What would you do? Should I increase the FO/CC? At this moment I
take FO 100ml per day.
Any advice appreciated

Thanks
Suzana












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Rudolf Breuss Juice - please advise

Edmond Lee
 

I have read a translated book of Rudolf Breuss juice saying it is not
recommended to take more than 500ml per day. Anyone can advise me the
reasons or the harmful side effects behind the staement.

Thank you!

Yours sincerely

Edmond


Re: COTTAGE CHEESE vs YOUGHURT

W. Hansen
 

Hi Karl,
though Dr. Budwig always used quark for the fo/cc mixtures and she did not seem to have mentioned yogurt for that purpose, I do believe that yogurt can be used as a direct substitute for quark or CC if it has been strained. That way you end up with a yogurt quark. Please see our files under "Foods" for more on it.

Wilhelm


Hi,
Could anyone clarify for me whether or not it is alright to use
yoghurt as an alternative to cottage cheese or quark, and if so so
what proportion to flax oil should be taken.
Thanks,
Karl Schmierer


Re: I'm a newcomer...breast cancer

deigratia2
 

--- In FlaxSeedOil2@..., "jjohnsonpesenti"
<janettheflowerfarm@h...> wrote:
Hi Everybody,
I'm a newcomer and have been reading your emails with great interest
for about a week.
Hi Janet,

Welcome to our group of fo/cc users. Please inform us of your progress
with the Gerson/Budwig protocol mix. Just last week, a very well
informed healer who has full knowledge of the Budwig protocol said to
me that the Budwig/Gerson combination is very powerful.

I would love to know how you are doing.

Lots of strongs and blessings
Cheryl


Re: Progress

Suzana Cvetanovic
 

I am from Novi Sad, Serbia

----- Original Message -----
From: breathedeepnow

Suzanna, where do you live, specifically?


How do you determine your progress?

 

Hi all:

I have been doing the budwig protocol for about 2 weeks now. I'm wondering
how some of you track your progress on the diet.

I am dealing with stage 4 breast cancer with mets to liver and bones. Is
there harm with doing ct scans and pet scans to determine your progress of
disease? I don't know how else to determine my status, since you can't actually see your
liver or bones.

Are the rest of you tracking yourselves with some other method?

Thanks!

Esther


Re: Progress

breathedeepnow
 

Suzanna, where do you live, specifically?