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Conversation Another of the many careers of Mark Smith! Pat West, not illustrated Ruthanna Emrys @R_Emrys Please come look at Mark Smith's amazing cover! A Half-Built Garden is coming in July 2022; toss a preorder to your author! https://twitter.com/TorDotComPub/status/1440300979912515591 21 September Sent from I phone

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Apologies if this has been excerpted before. From TapeOp March/April 2000 issue: (about Dragnet) It was my first professional record. I did Dragnet in '79 and I suppose the last thing I did was this "Chilinist" thing, which I suspect is the basic track that they still used on the single, which must have been '97. The third album with The Fall was Slates. Adrian Sherwood came in and did some time with it. He had the whole kind of snare mic'd up on the stairs, put through the reverb and then fed back in. I thought, "Okay, I like this. I'm not going to spend as long as Adrian does getting it, but if it happens, go with it." You've heard a sound, it's worked really well, and you spend 3 hours setting up in your studio and it just doesn't work. I've really learned lots of things like pointing the mic down away from the [kick drum] beater, make sure it's right in there. And then one day you don't do that, you mic it from the front. The mic is outside the drum and it sounds great, and you're like, "Oh my God! Everything I've learned is wrong." But I can look back at The Fall stuff and think, "I don't mind." It's looked upon as brilliant stuff. I think The Fall are probably the best band in the world. 20 years of sheer brilliance. (about MES) What you see is people going over their peak. Certainly with Mark E. Smith I was thinking, "Well you're not making sense anymore." It came to head for me when we made "Chilinest". I was up there working on it, and Craig Scanlon, who was one of the great guitarists of The Fall, had gotten a clarinet and we tried really hard to get it to work, to get a good sound. Then Mark heard it and said, "What the fuck is there a clarinet on this song for?" He told us to wipe it off the track. He went back to the pub and came back three hours later. We played the mix again and Mark was like, "This is shit. Where is the clarinet? That was the best thing on the track." I've seen Mark since then and he's much more stable now and I support him dearly — the last record he made was absolutely fantastic — but I just thought it's not for me. You make a decision. You say, "I can't do this anymore!" I'm very close to Mark, I'm in contact with him 8 or 9 times a year. The last time I saw him he was very, very sober after a lot of this trouble with the band and Steve Hanley finally leaving. So he cleaned up his act. He did say, "We should work together," and then I thought, "You've got to actually ask me to do this." I can't phone him up. He never did and I thought, "Okay, well, I'll leave this. I'll just carry on buying their records." As a kid, you think you're going to say to a cabbie, "I worked for The Fall. I've done about half a dozen albums. They're a seminal punk band." And the guy's like, "The Fall?"

Pat Fish, Jazz Butcher, RIP: <https://louderthanwar.com/pat-fish-aka-the-jazz-butcher-rip-an-appreciation-farewell-to-the-last-of-the-gentleman-adventurers/> Mark

Hey all -- I'm trying to get off of facebook -- basically the only thing I use it for anymore is for promoting and posting the playlists of my weekly college radio show, the WHAT YOU NEED radio program on WRUW-FM, 91.1 Cleveland. But I do like sharing my playlists and show archives to the world, so I decided to start a groups.io email list to make up for the loss of fb as my venue for that. If any of y'all are interested, you can find and subscribe to it here: /g/whatyouneed I haven't posted anything to it yet -- so far there are only 3 members; one of whom is myself, another is FallNet's very own Mark H. The third member is my friend Charlotte Pressler, the ex-wife of Peter Laughner and former member of the Cleveland and NYC band Red Dark Sweet. But I just created this thing yesterday, so it's very new still. Anyway -- I would love to have any of you aboard if you're interested. I'll basically just be posting my weekly playlists and a link to the archive download -- it's a pretty good radio show, if I do say so myself, but then again, everything I play on it is stuff that I like, so why shouldn't I think that? I'm sure many of you would find it terrible. But I do start each program off with a track by the mighty Fall, at least. And play an Ivor Cutler track at the midpoint of the 2 hour show. Add it to your podcast habits, maybe, I dunno. I'm not looking to make it a discussion list particularly, but I certainly wouldn't mind if that happened as well. I expect my first post to the list to be coming out next Tuesday morning, as the show usually runs on Monday nights from 11pm - 1am Eastern time on www.wruw.org. You can download a high-quality archive of the show or listen to the streaming archive on the WRUW site -- I'll provide links to both. cheers JC

I just watched this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Y-qPglJQ0 It's really good, the rather well-groomed guy in the big posh house demonstrates what Moe Tucker plays on stacks of VU songs. I feel like a total numpty not realising how unique her style was, maybe that's because what she did fitted just so perfectly in with the rest of the VU sound? I was prompted to watch it because I enjoyed the VU doc on Apple TV so much. I'd also forgotten they reformed in 1993 - how did I not bust a gut to go and see them live?!? adam

There's a live recording of the excellent Oh Brother podcast coming up: <https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/oh-brother-live-recording-of-the-fall-podcast-with-paul-steve-hanley-tickets-195745137977> Mark

Currently listening to this heavy-ambient thing on bandcamp by a groop called Hawthorne. Their new album has a cover by Godbert: https://xetb.bandcamp.com/album/earth-mirror -- I personally like this kinda stuff, especially for falling asleep to.. JC

<https://www.cherryred.co.uk/the-one-label-that-was-not-out-the-fall-and-cherry-red/> And what does the future hold? “We’ve got Grant Showbiz’s material lined up, plus the first ever show the group ever played, which may indeed be the second ever show,” Hammonds says. Mark

Excellent use of Folding Money on the new series of Guilt, a few minutes into the program. I think they had some Fall on the soundtrack to the first series too. BBC Scotland - Guilt, Series 2 BBC Scotland - Guilt, Series 2 In an Edinburgh cellar, two gunshots ring out. The acclaimed drama continues.

https://www.superiorviaduct.com/collections/upcoming/products/the-fall-slates-lp?mc_cid=5c52b7f9e1&mc_eid=75cad8e7cc Adds Peel session and "Medical Acceptance Gate" Mark

Come on then, before Bill does them all Shit the North Totally Mired New Faeces in Hull Living Poo Lake Spoilt Victorian Seaside Town Undoctored Muck's Better Crap Rap 2/Like to Flow Pete

Any of y'all going to be attending (or "attending") this?: Oh! Brother (@OhBrotherShow) tweeted at 6:27 AM on Sun, Oct 31, 2021: Make sure you get your tickets for this if you haven’t already. Should be a great evening, and we hope to see a lot of you there! (https://twitter.com/OhBrotherShow/status/1454756942908379137?t=aiSaWwV8nEIpTTKst5bddA&s=03) JC

About the legendary Mcr Lesser Free Trade Hall gig. I had barely seen any of these interviews before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW3wBL757Jc Sdam

Doe F*llnet at groups dot I O have a website as Yahugruppen used to -- with all our old posts and monthly stats etc? How will we know when we break the old 3000 posts per month record? Bill ?

Features Elena: https://brianturnershow.com/ Mark

The 2 best bands in the world have made a joint single: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIfdZqIxoCI Is this a dream or has it really happened? adam

https://www.onetouchfootball.com/forum/one-touch-football/music/2531360-junk-mail-subject-lines-that-sound-like-fall-songs#post2531650 Martin