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The Fall Are You Are Missing Winner CD 每 4 disc digipack After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce an album that has always divided opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃
JC
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I was listening to the interview wot he did with Steve Barker off of Radio Lancashire erroneously billed as the GMR Interview on YouToob and he (MES) refers to the LP being called ※Are You Mr Winner§
so I guess that was the original intention?
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I always refer to it as ※Are You an Arsehole Mr Winner§ so my joke is actually quite close to the original title. And is actually the best title out of the 3.
?
I was also interested to hear him say (in another interview from a different era) that ※the next LP will be called Grotesque Peasants§.
?
I＊m probably way behind the game here but is there a page where all the mooted but rejected album titles are listed? I＊m looking at you Dannyno.
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adam
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The Fall
Are You Are Missing Winner
CD 每 4 disc digipack
After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce an album that has always divided
opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃
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JC
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So the re-issue?is AYAMW?and three live albums?
Wayne Carey: "The three live albums are worth a listen as there are some gems in there, especially Live At The Knitting Factory in LA. Apparently all gigs at the time were cancelled (sic) in that area and The Fall were the only live band to catch on the night."
I don't know what he means by all gigs were canceled in that area in LA that night... Except for times of riots or plagues, I don't know how that's possible.
Also, if the Knitting Factory live set starts with a truncated version of "The Joke," I think it came off my Sony MZR-55 mini-disc?recorder, which originally?made the rounds as "Where's Julia?" boot.
AYAMW?is a nifty little record, and one of the better new millennial offerings methinks.
CC
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 10:42 AM Jeff Curtis < jacurtis@...> wrote: The Fall Are You Are Missing Winner CD 每 4 disc digipack After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce an album that has always divided opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃
JC
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Aftermath of 9/11, maybe?
PJ
I don't know what he means by all gigs were canceled in that area in LA that night... Except for times of riots or plagues, I don't know how that's possible.
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It's a repressing of this Voiceprint thing from 2007.
Stefan
Aftermath of 9/11, maybe?
PJ
I don't know what he means by all gigs were canceled in that area in LA that night... Except for times of riots or plagues, I don't know how that's possible.
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It may or may not be the "Where's Julia?" boot. I didn't see anybody else recording the shows and the Fall didnae' wanna pony up the 50 clams for a DAT 2-track off the front-of-house?console.
CC
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:32 PM Stefan Cooke < fallnews@...> wrote: It's a repressing of this Voiceprint thing from 2007.
Stefan
Aftermath of 9/11, maybe?
PJ
I don't know what he means by all gigs were canceled in that area in LA that night... Except for times of riots or plagues, I don't know how that's possible.
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That's a shame. They didn't even ask for a better copy of one of the NY Knitting Factory gigs I recorded - they sourced the audio from a Punkcast VCD!?
Stefan
It may or may not be the "Where's Julia?" boot. I didn't see anybody else recording the shows and the Fall didnae' wanna pony up the 50 clams for a DAT 2-track off the front-of-house?console.
CC
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:32 PM Stefan Cooke < fallnews@...> wrote: It's a repressing of this Voiceprint thing from 2007.
Stefan
Aftermath of 9/11, maybe?
PJ
I don't know what he means by all gigs were canceled in that area in LA that night... Except for times of riots or plagues, I don't know how that's possible.
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Hey Ho Mr. Coonce (et al):
I could attempt to locate my copy of Where's Julia? you so kindly/graciously shared back when and doing a comparison, but me doing this is more expeditious for ya'lls:
track 01 from LA Knitting Factory 14-Nov-2001 [from new 4CD reissue] to help you determine
I remember it being
a rip-roaring time of sweaty knockin' about, a terrific time
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It may or may not be the "Where's Julia?" boot. I didn't see anybody else recording the shows and the Fall didnae' wanna pony up the 50 clams for a DAT 2-track off the front-of-house?console.
CC
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:32 PM Stefan Cooke < fallnews@...> wrote:
It's a repressing of this Voiceprint thing from 2007.
Stefan
Aftermath of 9/11, maybe?
PJ
I don't know what he means by all gigs were canceled in that area in LA that night... Except for times of riots or plagues, I don't know how that's possible.
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I like the idea of researching mooted album titles.?? I＊ll add it to The List.??? ? Although off the top of my head there maybe aren＊t that many occasions where announced titles changed.? In fact titles probably won＊t even have been announced in advance in many cases. ? Dan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: Adam MarshallSent: 19 July 2021 18:56 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FallNet] The Fall: Are You Are Missing Winner 每 album reissue review ? I was listening to the interview wot he did with Steve Barker off of Radio Lancashire erroneously billed as the GMR Interview on YouToob and he (MES) refers to the LP being called ※Are You Mr Winner§ so I guess that was the original intention? ? I always refer to it as ※Are You an Arsehole Mr Winner§ so my joke is actually quite close to the original title. And is actually the best title out of the 3. ? I was also interested to hear him say (in another interview from a different era) that ※the next LP will be called Grotesque Peasants§. ? I＊m probably way behind the game here but is there a page where all the mooted but rejected album titles are listed? I＊m looking at you Dannyno. ? adam ? The Fall Are You Are Missing Winner
CD 每 4 disc digipack After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce an album that has always divided opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃ ?
JC
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I would assume that the printed item title is correct - it reads like a spam email. "Are you our missing winner?" is a common headline, and being misspelled is the spammy part. Maybe it started as Mr. Winner and then someone said "oh, wouldn't it be clever if we did it like a spammy headline?"
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:08 AM dannyno < dannyno@...> wrote: I like the idea of researching mooted album titles.?? I＊ll add it to The List.??? ? Although off the top of my head there maybe aren＊t that many occasions where announced titles changed.? In fact titles probably won＊t even have been announced in advance in many cases. ? Dan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? ? I was listening to the interview wot he did with Steve Barker off of Radio Lancashire erroneously billed as the GMR Interview on YouToob and he (MES) refers to the LP being called ※Are You Mr Winner§ so I guess that was the original intention? ? I always refer to it as ※Are You an Arsehole Mr Winner§ so my joke is actually quite close to the original title. And is actually the best title out of the 3. ? I was also interested to hear him say (in another interview from a different era) that ※the next LP will be called Grotesque Peasants§. ? I＊m probably way behind the game here but is there a page where all the mooted but rejected album titles are listed? I＊m looking at you Dannyno. ? adam ? The Fall![Image removed by sender. The Fall]() Are You Are Missing Winner
CD 每 4 disc digipack After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce an album that has always divided opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃ ?
JC
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wasn＊t this something he saw in a newsagent＊s? (if my v dim memory recalls correctly).?one great thing about his lyrics is the way he uses deteriorating mundane things (chip newspaper wrapping, signage eg swine tax, or this) as lyrical content or access to the spirit world. feel deterioration, trash and clutter - that which is left after you have extracted the ※value§ is a big thing in the fall.?tom ※clean shaven but chip greasy§ wootton?
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On 21 Jul 2021, at 17:58, David Bivins <dabivins@...> wrote: ? I would assume that the printed item title is correct - it reads like a spam email. "Are you our missing winner?" is a common headline, and being misspelled is the spammy part. Maybe it started as Mr. Winner and then someone said "oh, wouldn't it be clever if we did it like a spammy headline?"
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:08 AM dannyno < dannyno@...> wrote: I like the idea of researching mooted album titles.?? I＊ll add it to The List.??? ? Although off the top of my head there maybe aren＊t that many occasions where announced titles changed.? In fact titles probably won＊t even have been announced in advance in many cases. ? Dan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? ? I was listening to the interview wot he did with Steve Barker off of Radio Lancashire erroneously billed as the GMR Interview on YouToob and he (MES) refers to the LP being called ※Are You Mr Winner§ so I guess that was the original intention? ? I always refer to it as ※Are You an Arsehole Mr Winner§ so my joke is actually quite close to the original title. And is actually the best title out of the 3. ? I was also interested to hear him say (in another interview from a different era) that ※the next LP will be called Grotesque Peasants§. ? I＊m probably way behind the game here but is there a page where all the mooted but rejected album titles are listed? I＊m looking at you Dannyno. ? adam ? The Fall![Image removed by sender. The Fall]() Are You Are Missing Winner
CD 每 4 disc digipack After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce an album that has always divided opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃ ?
JC
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That＊s tended to be the assumption, although I don＊t know that MES was ever forthcoming on the issue. ? The ※You Must Get Them All§ blog carries a quote provided by Ben Pritchard: ? ※There was an article at the time about the national lottery, someone had won and didn＊t come forward to claim the prize. It＊s as simple as that. Mark took his inspiration for lyrics and titles from anywhere he could find. Are you ＆our＊ missing winner, he just spelt it wrong.§ ? ? It＊s on my list of things to find: if it＊s out there I will track it down eventually. ? It was always known, of course, that MES inserted ※found§ material into his lyrics.? What perhaps wasn＊t anticipated is quite how important a part of his writing process the use of such sources would actually turn out to be. ? ? Those of us who contribute to have uncovered a huge number of examples over recent years (as well as more speculative things).?? ? There＊s also a list of borrowings here, which I think I probably need to update with some recent discoveries: ? In fact, that goes as far as record artwork 每 Tina Prior＊s cover for Dragnet, for example, borrows from the opening titles sequence of the Roger Corman-directed ※The Haunted Palace§, which was on TV at about the right time (() 每 and of course another Corman film, ※Premature Burial§ (also shown on TV at about the right time, and starring Ray Milland) was the source of the ※those flowers, take them away§ lines in ※Spectre vs Rector§. ? Florence out of Dry Cleaning is a good current example of someone who uses a not completely dissimilar approach to writing lyrics, but it doesn＊t seem that there are many who have. ??It＊s not easy to do well, it seems. ? Dan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ?
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From: tom woottonSent: 21 July 2021 18:43 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [FallNet] The Fall: Are You Are Missing Winner 每 album reissue review ? wasn＊t this something he saw in a newsagent＊s? (if my v dim memory recalls correctly).?
one great thing about his lyrics is the way he uses deteriorating mundane things (chip newspaper wrapping, signage eg swine tax, or this) as lyrical content or access to the spirit world. feel deterioration, trash and clutter - that which is left after you have extracted the ※value§ is a big thing in the fall.?
tom ※clean shaven but chip greasy§ wootton? On 21 Jul 2021, at 17:58, David Bivins <dabivins@...> wrote: ? I would assume that the printed item title is correct - it reads like a spam email. "Are you our missing winner?" is a common headline, and being misspelled is the spammy part. Maybe it started as Mr. Winner and then someone said "oh, wouldn't it be clever if we did it like a spammy headline?" ? On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:08 AM dannyno <dannyno@...> wrote: I like the idea of researching mooted album titles.?? I＊ll add it to The List.??? ? Although off the top of my head there maybe aren＊t that many occasions where announced titles changed.? In fact titles probably won＊t even have been announced in advance in many cases. ? Dan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? ? I was listening to the interview wot he did with Steve Barker off of Radio Lancashire erroneously billed as the GMR Interview on YouToob and he (MES) refers to the LP being called ※Are You Mr Winner§ so I guess that was the original intention? ? I always refer to it as ※Are You an Arsehole Mr Winner§ so my joke is actually quite close to the original title. And is actually the best title out of the 3. ? I was also interested to hear him say (in another interview from a different era) that ※the next LP will be called Grotesque Peasants§. ? I＊m probably way behind the game here but is there a page where all the mooted but rejected album titles are listed? I＊m looking at you Dannyno. ? adam ? The Fall Are You Are Missing Winner
CD 每 4 disc digipack After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce an album that has always divided opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃ ?
JC
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Dry Cleaning so fucking great. My last show before Covid in Brooklyn NY.? They found out that day that Sxsw (reason for US visit) was cancelled and still put on an amazing show. Super sweet people too.
"Florence out of Dry Cleaning is a good current example of someone who uses a not completely dissimilar approach to writing lyrics, but it doesn＊t seem that there are many who have. ??It＊s not easy to do well, it seems.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 2:44 PM dannyno < dannyno@...> wrote: That＊s tended to be the assumption, although I don＊t know that MES was ever forthcoming on the issue. ? The ※You Must Get Them All§ blog carries a quote provided by Ben Pritchard: ? ※There was an article at the time about the national lottery, someone had won and didn＊t come forward to claim the prize. It＊s as simple as that. Mark took his inspiration for lyrics and titles from anywhere he could find. Are you ＆our＊ missing winner, he just spelt it wrong.§ ? ? It＊s on my list of things to find: if it＊s out there I will track it down eventually. ? It was always known, of course, that MES inserted ※found§ material into his lyrics.? What perhaps wasn＊t anticipated is quite how important a part of his writing process the use of such sources would actually turn out to be. ? ? Those of us who contribute to have uncovered a huge number of examples over recent years (as well as more speculative things).?? ? There＊s also a list of borrowings here, which I think I probably need to update with some recent discoveries:
? In fact, that goes as far as record artwork 每 Tina Prior＊s cover for Dragnet, for example, borrows from the opening titles sequence of the Roger Corman-directed ※The Haunted Palace§, which was on TV at about the right time (() 每 and of course another Corman film, ※Premature Burial§ (also shown on TV at about the right time, and starring Ray Milland) was the source of the ※those flowers, take them away§ lines in ※Spectre vs Rector§. ? Florence out of Dry Cleaning is a good current example of someone who uses a not completely dissimilar approach to writing lyrics, but it doesn＊t seem that there are many who have. ??It＊s not easy to do well, it seems. ? Dan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: tom wootton
Sent: 21 July 2021 18:43
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FallNet] The Fall: Are You Are Missing Winner 每 album reissue review ? wasn＊t this something he saw in a newsagent＊s? (if my v dim memory recalls correctly).?
one great thing about his lyrics is the way he uses deteriorating mundane things (chip newspaper wrapping, signage eg swine tax, or this) as lyrical content or access to the spirit world. feel deterioration, trash and clutter - that which is left after you have extracted the ※value§ is a big thing in the fall.?
tom ※clean shaven but chip greasy§ wootton? On 21 Jul 2021, at 17:58, David Bivins <dabivins@...> wrote: ? I would assume that the printed item title is correct - it reads like a spam email. "Are you our missing winner?" is a common headline, and being misspelled is the spammy part. Maybe it started as Mr. Winner and then someone said "oh, wouldn't it be clever if we did it like a spammy headline?" ?
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:08 AM dannyno <dannyno@...> wrote:
I like the idea of researching mooted album titles.?? I＊ll add it to The List.??? ? Although off the top of my head there maybe aren＊t that many occasions where announced titles changed.? In fact titles probably won＊t even have been announced in advance in many cases. ? Dan ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? ? I was listening to the interview wot he did with Steve Barker off of Radio Lancashire erroneously billed as the GMR Interview on YouToob and he (MES) refers to the LP being called ※Are You Mr Winner§ so I guess that was the original intention? ? I always refer to it as ※Are You an Arsehole Mr Winner§ so my joke is actually quite close to the original title. And is actually the best title out of the 3. ? I was also interested to hear him say (in another interview from a different era) that ※the next LP will be called Grotesque Peasants§. ? I＊m probably way behind the game here but is there a page where all the mooted but rejected album titles are listed? I＊m looking at you Dannyno. ? adam ?
The Fall Are You Are Missing Winner
CD 每 4 disc digipack After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce an album that has always divided opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃ ?
JC
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They would be great with MES singing!
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adam
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Dry Cleaning so fucking great. My last show before Covid in Brooklyn NY.?
They found out that day that Sxsw (reason for US visit) was cancelled and still put on an amazing show.
Super sweet people too.
?
"Florence out of Dry Cleaning is a good current example of someone who uses a not completely dissimilar approach to writing lyrics, but it doesn＊t seem that there are many who have. ??It＊s not easy to do well, it seems.
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 2:44 PM dannyno < dannyno@...> wrote:
That＊s tended to be the assumption, although I don＊t know that MES was ever forthcoming on the issue.
?
The ※You Must Get Them All§ blog carries a quote provided by Ben Pritchard:
?
※There was an article at the time about the national lottery, someone had won and didn＊t come forward to claim the prize. It＊s as simple as that. Mark took his inspiration for lyrics
and titles from anywhere he could find. Are you ＆our＊ missing winner, he just spelt it wrong.§
?
?
It＊s on my list of things to find: if it＊s out there I will track it down eventually.
?
It was always known, of course, that MES inserted ※found§ material into his lyrics.? What perhaps wasn＊t anticipated is quite how important a part of his writing process the use
of such sources would actually turn out to be. ?
?
Those of us who contribute to
have uncovered a huge number of examples over recent years (as well as more speculative things).??
?
There＊s also a list of borrowings here, which I think I probably need to update with some recent discoveries:
?
In fact, that goes as far as record artwork 每 Tina Prior＊s cover for
Dragnet, for example, borrows from the opening titles sequence of the Roger Corman-directed ※The Haunted Palace§, which was on TV at about the right time (()
每 and of course another Corman film, ※Premature Burial§ (also shown on TV at about the right time, and starring Ray Milland) was the source of the
※those flowers, take them away§ lines in ※Spectre vs Rector§.
?
Florence out of Dry Cleaning is a good current example of someone who uses a not completely dissimilar approach to writing lyrics, but it doesn＊t seem that there are many who have.
??It＊s not easy to do well, it seems.
?
Dan
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for Windows 10
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From:
tom wootton
Sent: 21 July 2021 18:43
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FallNet] The Fall: Are You Are Missing Winner 每 album reissue review
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wasn＊t this something he saw in a newsagent＊s? (if my v dim memory recalls correctly).?
one great thing about his lyrics is the way he uses deteriorating mundane things (chip newspaper wrapping, signage eg swine tax, or this) as lyrical content or access to the spirit world. feel deterioration, trash and clutter - that which is left after you
have extracted the ※value§ is a big thing in the fall.?
tom ※clean shaven but chip greasy§ wootton?
On 21 Jul 2021, at 17:58, David Bivins <dabivins@...> wrote:
I would assume that the printed item title is correct - it reads like a spam email. "Are you our missing winner?" is a common headline, and being misspelled is the spammy part.
Maybe it started as Mr. Winner and then someone said "oh, wouldn't it be clever if we did it like a spammy headline?"
?
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:08 AM dannyno <dannyno@...> wrote:
I like the idea of researching mooted album titles.?? I＊ll add it to The List.???
?
Although off the top of my head there maybe aren＊t that many occasions where announced titles changed.? In fact titles probably won＊t even have been announced in advance in many cases.
?
Dan
?
Sent from for Windows 10
?
?
I was listening to the interview wot he did with Steve Barker off of Radio Lancashire erroneously billed as the GMR Interview on YouToob and he (MES) refers to the LP being called ※Are You Mr Winner§ so I guess that was the original intention?
?
I always refer to it as ※Are You an Arsehole Mr Winner§ so my joke is actually quite close to the original title. And is actually the best title out of the 3.
?
I was also interested to hear him say (in another interview from a different era) that ※the next LP will be called Grotesque Peasants§.
?
I＊m probably way behind the game here but is there a page where all the mooted but rejected album titles are listed? I＊m looking at you Dannyno.
?
adam
?
The Fall
Are You Are Missing Winner
CD 每 4 disc digipack
After the glory of The Unutterable, Mark E Smith and his fractured but not broken Fall returned with a brand new band after his trademark clearout to produce
an album that has always divided opinion. Wayne AF Carey goes back into the vaults＃
?
JC
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Stefan Cooke
