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Reminded by the various Fall podcasts and my own memory, but what are the remaining holy grails still to find, that we actually think exist?
Versions: Frightened, recorded in the Bingo Masters session (keeps getting mentioned, never turns up)? ??
Sets: Rest of the Electric Circus set?? Rest of the Groningen 1981 set (which has close to the best versions of Fantastic Life & NFiHell)? ??
Right songs, wrong speed*: Acklam Hall - my bugbear, but played at 109% sounds like all their other sets of the time (will give you +/- 1%). Great when speeded up, which is easier these days, really drags on original (cassette as well)? Bend Sinister - speed and/or poor quality mastering according to reports? Sounds about right to me**
* like Bob Stanley, my first LP was also Totale's Turns. What helped me a lot was playing bits of it at 45rpm.? ** Reminded me of the Au Pairs second LP, which was rereleased in a slowed down version, supposed to be the original intention, ponderous and slurred vs the original.*** *** see the various other examples of the mismatch in artistic view/drugs vs the artist/producer
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Reminded by the various Fall podcasts and my own memory, but what are the remaining holy grails still to find, that we actually think exist?
Sets:
Rest of the Electric Circus set??
ooh yeah, that would be great to hear, I've wondered about that myself at times.? ? Rest of the Groningen 1981 set (which has close to the best versions of Fantastic Life & NFiHell)?
Was the part of it you know released as something at some point? Not sure if I know it..? ? Right songs, wrong speed*: Acklam Hall - my bugbear, but played at 109% sounds like all their other sets of the time (will give you +/- 1%). Great when speeded up, which is easier these days, really drags on original (cassette as well)?
oh -- I'll have to try this, never occurred to me.? ? Bend Sinister - speed and/or poor quality mastering according to reports? Sounds about right to me**
I should say so! Always been one of my favorites. Was hoping Beggars was going to do an Omnibus Box job for it, which I think would have been next after WAFWOTF and TNSG.?
* like Bob Stanley, my first LP was also Totale's Turns. What helped me a lot was playing bits of it at 45rpm.?
ha - It's pretty amusing playing ELO's "Eldorado" album at 45rpm, also.?
JC?
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Groningen - best I have from 20 years ago, I think we only have three songs via FM broadcast... was angling a bit for this one... incl a jolting tale of dick-shivering terror?
Elec circus - there's a twitter account at @ecircus1977 pointing to fbook, with the various sets id'd. Who knows?
Rich
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021, 20:39 Jeff Curtis, < jacurtis@...> wrote: Reminded by the various Fall podcasts and my own memory, but what are the remaining holy grails still to find, that we actually think exist?
Sets:
Rest of the Electric Circus set??
ooh yeah, that would be great to hear, I've wondered about that myself at times.? ? Rest of the Groningen 1981 set (which has close to the best versions of Fantastic Life & NFiHell)?
Was the part of it you know released as something at some point? Not sure if I know it..? ? Right songs, wrong speed*: Acklam Hall - my bugbear, but played at 109% sounds like all their other sets of the time (will give you +/- 1%). Great when speeded up, which is easier these days, really drags on original (cassette as well)?
oh -- I'll have to try this, never occurred to me.? ? Bend Sinister - speed and/or poor quality mastering according to reports? Sounds about right to me**
I should say so! Always been one of my favorites. Was hoping Beggars was going to do an Omnibus Box job for it, which I think would have been next after WAFWOTF and TNSG.?
* like Bob Stanley, my first LP was also Totale's Turns. What helped me a lot was playing bits of it at 45rpm.?
ha - It's pretty amusing playing ELO's "Eldorado" album at 45rpm, also.?
JC?
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Cheers for the link, Rich! I'll take a look at that twit as well.?
JC
Groningen - best I have from 20 years ago, I think we only have three songs via FM broadcast... was angling a bit for this one... incl a jolting tale of dick-shivering terror?
Elec circus - there's a twitter account at @ecircus1977 pointing to fbook, with the various sets id'd. Who knows?
Rich
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021, 20:39 Jeff Curtis, < jacurtis@...> wrote: Reminded by the various Fall podcasts and my own memory, but what are the remaining holy grails still to find, that we actually think exist?
Sets:
Rest of the Electric Circus set??
ooh yeah, that would be great to hear, I've wondered about that myself at times.? ? Rest of the Groningen 1981 set (which has close to the best versions of Fantastic Life & NFiHell)?
Was the part of it you know released as something at some point? Not sure if I know it..? ? Right songs, wrong speed*: Acklam Hall - my bugbear, but played at 109% sounds like all their other sets of the time (will give you +/- 1%). Great when speeded up, which is easier these days, really drags on original (cassette as well)?
oh -- I'll have to try this, never occurred to me.? ? Bend Sinister - speed and/or poor quality mastering according to reports? Sounds about right to me**
I should say so! Always been one of my favorites. Was hoping Beggars was going to do an Omnibus Box job for it, which I think would have been next after WAFWOTF and TNSG.?
* like Bob Stanley, my first LP was also Totale's Turns. What helped me a lot was playing bits of it at 45rpm.?
ha - It's pretty amusing playing ELO's "Eldorado" album at 45rpm, also.?
JC?
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Isnt Bend Sinister the one where the CD master was replaced by MES with a cassette version?
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adam
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 3:19 PM Rich Kidd < rich.kidd@...> wrote:
Reminded by the various Fall podcasts and my own memory, but what are the remaining holy grails still to find, that we actually think exist?
Rest of the Electric Circus set??
ooh yeah, that would be great to hear, I've wondered about that myself at times.?
Rest of the Groningen 1981 set (which has close to the best versions of Fantastic Life & NFiHell)?
Was the part of it you know released as something at some point? Not sure if I know it..?
Right songs, wrong speed*:
Acklam Hall - my bugbear, but played at 109% sounds like all their other sets of the time (will give you +/- 1%). Great when speeded up, which is easier these days, really drags on original (cassette as well)?
oh -- I'll have to try this, never occurred to me.?
Bend Sinister - speed and/or poor quality mastering according to reports? Sounds about right to me**
I should say so! Always been one of my favorites. Was hoping Beggars was going to do an Omnibus Box job for it, which I think would have been next after WAFWOTF and TNSG.?
* like Bob Stanley, my first LP was also Totale's Turns. What helped me a lot was playing bits of it at 45rpm.?
ha - It's pretty amusing playing ELO's "Eldorado" album at 45rpm, also.?
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Yes, and he insisted at being in the mastering studio and kept fucking with the knobs and blowing cigarette smoke in the engineer's face.
He's mastered more hit records than you've had hot dinners, pal.
Isnt Bend Sinister the one where the CD master was replaced by MES with a cassette version?
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adam
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Reminded by the various Fall podcasts and my own memory, but what are the remaining holy grails still to find, that we actually think exist?
Rest of the Electric Circus set??
ooh yeah, that would be great to hear, I've wondered about that myself at times.?
Rest of the Groningen 1981 set (which has close to the best versions of Fantastic Life & NFiHell)?
Was the part of it you know released as something at some point? Not sure if I know it..?
Right songs, wrong speed*:
Acklam Hall - my bugbear, but played at 109% sounds like all their other sets of the time (will give you +/- 1%). Great when speeded up, which is easier these days, really drags on original (cassette as well)?
oh -- I'll have to try this, never occurred to me.?
Bend Sinister - speed and/or poor quality mastering according to reports? Sounds about right to me**
I should say so! Always been one of my favorites. Was hoping Beggars was going to do an Omnibus Box job for it, which I think would have been next after WAFWOTF and TNSG.?
* like Bob Stanley, my first LP was also Totale's Turns. What helped me a lot was playing bits of it at 45rpm.?
ha - It's pretty amusing playing ELO's "Eldorado" album at 45rpm, also.?
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* like Bob Stanley, my first LP was also Totale's Turns. What helped me a lot was playing bits of it at 45rpm.?
ha - It's pretty amusing playing ELO's "Eldorado" album at 45rpm, also.?
Try Jimmy Shand 78s @ 33.3333333333333333 https://automating.bandcamp.com/track/shands-down
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?Reminded by the various Fall podcasts and my own memory, but what are the
?remaining holy grails still to find, that we actually think exist? A recording of the first gig - Martin Bramah reckoned it had been taped. In the "we know it exists" section: Studio version of "Tempo House" Full version of "Noel's Chemical Effluence" Mark
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Ooh, interesting.
Tempo House diff to the demo version?
On full versions that may or not exist, would give quite a lot for what was cut&pasted together for Ol Gang (in my mind 15 mins long instrumental), slightly less for the full And This Day that got trimmed for Hex.?
Rich?
>?Reminded by the various Fall podcasts and my own memory, but what are the
>?remaining holy grails still to find, that we actually think exist?
A recording of the first gig - Martin Bramah reckoned it had been taped.
In the "we know it exists" section:
Studio version of "Tempo House"
Full version of "Noel's Chemical Effluence"
Mark
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Ooh, interesting.
?Tempo House diff to the demo version?
? No, that's it. Also the full version of "I'm Ronnie The Oney", available on the alternative version of "Interim" (called "Cocked", I think). On full versions that may or not exist, would give quite a lot for what was
?cut&pasted together for Ol Gang (in my mind 15 mins long instrumental),
?slightly less for the full And This Day that got trimmed for Hex. Yes, absolutely for "And This Day"; I think "Ol' Gang" is the same backing track repeated once, isn't it? Mark, belatedly
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