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Hello'een


 

And the coffin lid creaks open...

Hey all, as you were.?

Rich


 

Hey Rich! Welcome back!!

JC

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 2:00 PM Rich Kidd <rich.kidd@...> wrote:
And the coffin lid creaks open...

Hey all, as you were.?

Rich


 

R Kidd!?

I owe you a deep debt of gratitude from the long long days

Evening all,?
Pete Conk


 

likewise to you and rich both, pete.?

ow do all.?

tom - clean shaven but chip greasy
On 1 Nov 2020, 19:26 +0000, Pete Conkerton via groups.io <klacktoveedesteen@...>, wrote:

R Kidd!?

I owe you a deep debt of gratitude from the long long days

Evening all,?
Pete Conk


 

Tom! Pete!

Great to hear from you both, welcome back!?

JC

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 2:56 PM tom wootton <tomwootton@...> wrote:
likewise to you and rich both, pete.?

ow do all.?

tom - clean shaven but chip greasy
On 1 Nov 2020, 19:26 +0000, Pete Conkerton via <klacktoveedesteen=[email protected]>, wrote:
R Kidd!?

I owe you a deep debt of gratitude from the long long days

Evening all,?
Pete Conk


 

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Our Kidd!!!

Didn¡¯t we once bump into each other in Islington, with someone¡¯s called die, Gez, Mel, Simon, Kimmo, Dave Carter etc

Hell, that wasn¡¯t even this century!!!!!

Has anyone told PatEestTripDispenxer orCKovin where we are?

stve


On 2/11/2020, at 8:03 AM, Jeff Curtis <jacurtis@...> wrote:

?
Hey Rich! Welcome back!!

JC

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 2:00 PM Rich Kidd <rich.kidd@...> wrote:
And the coffin lid creaks open...

Hey all, as you were.?

Rich


 

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 11:16 AM steve dean <stevencharlesdean@...> wrote:
Our Kidd!!!

Didn¡¯t we once bump into each other in Islington, with someone¡¯s called die, Gez, Mel, Simon, Kimmo, Dave Carter etc

Hell, that wasn¡¯t even this century!!!!!

Has anyone told PatEestTripDispenxer orCKovin where we are?

I do believe I saw both of are Pats (de l'Est, de l'Ouest) subscriptions come through, not sure about cut-out Chris Kovin though..

JC?


 

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I¡¯ve got an?age-and-brain-fog-limited mental?checklist of 90s?Fallnetters in my head that?I¡¯m crossing off as names resurface. Hi again,?everybody!!


Notable people on Fallnet in my era (late 90s) I¡¯m watching for, you. You were?a big part of my life and I never said so, so....

Aengus Stewart ? was he scottish? worked in a record store? might be confusing him....

AmC = "Am"erican "C"hris, aka Chris Kovin ; from ??? DC ?? not sure (he had to sign AmC because there was an English Chris on the list and the list wasn't big enough for two Chrises, apparently). Inspirational as?a ¡°lunch consultant¡± and humorist.

Arjan (?Plug?)? - Dutch guy... was he a linguist? or maybe just got that impression because of the constant quips to him about "the Dutch weeping in four languages at least"

Cole Coonce - top-fuel enthusiast (¡°don't call me a wrenchhead¡±) and also wrote books?ranging?out-beyond-the-tiny-confines-of-the-human-skull about all kinds of topics, including the fall and fallnet, but also the land speed record and various stream of consciousness post-modern screeds

Fiona ?armstrong? - fallnetter in scotland, famously had a chat with Stephen Hanley at a gig where she asked him to give a shout out to Steve Dean in New Zealand "he's on FallNet!" and Hanley was like "Fallnet? On the internet? Get a life. Get out more, get some exercise." or words to that effect

Gerard Wood - Gez, I?think he was a Math(s) teacher?. He also ran a great Half Man Half Biscuit annotated lyrics site, and did a lot of gig photography of various cool bands. I think I probably offended him with a woefully ill-informed dismissal of HMHB on the list before I'd really listened to them properly and they later became one of my favorite bands ever. At that point though I had paid a lot for an import copy of the Eno Collaboration CD single, thought it was pretty forgettable, and said as much when somebody asked whether HMHB were worth checking out, not realizing probably their biggest fan was on the list, to which he replied something benevolent like ¡°ah, they¡¯re not for everyone¡±.??Live and learn. Anyway, I think he was one of the competitors in one of the World Cup Predictors Leagues as "Indispensable Cobblers" (after the HMHB line, refers to Northampton Town's best players being in the cemetery)

Graeme Park / was he scottish? worked in a record store ?

Anthony Chapman? Aka dj scissorkicks, aka deserved winner?of the Yorkshire disco dancing championships...?

Hannah Meehan - fallnetter from ? Utah. She had a Watergate obsession so was suitably intrigued by the fact that I'd grown up with John Ehrlichman's grandson and had a fairly stupid anecdote about riding in a car with the elder Ehrlichman. She also had a blog at a time when that was still pretty new, so I was very impressed. If i remember right, the blog title was?a Bob Dylan lyric I¡¯ve forgotten

Jeff Curtis - ran the Lyrics parade. from ?? Ohio ?? (was a big stooges fan and also turned me onto Ohio stuff like Pere Ubu and My Dad Is Dead). ¡ª-?Oh hi Jeff, what punk rock racket is coming out of the garages of the heartland now?that I should keep an out for these days?

Jonathan Kandell - ran the ? Lyrics Parade ? with Jeff Curtis. Worked at the University of Arizona at the same time I attended and also was discovering fallnet and reading the list in the student union computer lab most days. I think I tried to find his office once, but was worried it would be sad and awkward so I didn't bother.

MEL - she had a signature pictogram thing that said MELLIFLUOUSMEL in kind of a square box. English? not sure from where

Mike Wright - american guy, from Detroit or at least Michigan and a big Detroit sports fan... would tailgate the NFL draft at Lions Stadium on draft day. Made the Fall group Windows Theme (for Windows 3.x you could install themes that changed your color palettes and graphics around). Very earnestly a fan of the?Bend Sinister ?? (Who isn¡¯t tho?)

OJ ("Other John", always signed off with some "mark", e.g. "% <--- his percentage mark" or whatever (bad example). Late but memorable arrival in my time on fallnet. He was American and wrote long and absurd but hilarious?emails to the list. Hi oJohn. #ObOjCon

Oliver Czoske - "Olli" - French? fallnetter, and an astronomer (I was studying Astronomy at University of Arizona when I was on Fallnet full-time, so I was suitably impressed by him... worked at Observatoire Mid-Pyrenees at that time. Maybe was also super tall?). I have a feeling I noticed him at my first ever Fall gig (at the Casbah in San Diego, CA in the mid 2000s) but never said hello. I seem to recall seeing later that he'd been at the SoCal gigs on that tour with some other fallnetters

Patrick Burke - aka Pat Trip - worked at UCLA I think (did something to do with internet usability. Introduced me to KCRW (LA¡¯s NPR station?and eclectic music beacon) (I have a feeling he was friends with, or at least a fan of, Eric J. Lawrence, the KCRW DJ who was also a big Fall fan and named his radio show ¡°Dragnet¡±). One of the funniest people on fallnet in my opinion. Can't think of good examples, so here's a bad one: I still tell Pat's joke to my Dutch friends when I'm in Amsterdam .... "How do you get to Haarlem?" "Take the AA train." (never gets a laugh). I think I might¡¯ve spotted him at a?Mekons gig in a hunting lodge in LA?last year, and again did not say hello because,?yeah, this is a pattern I¡¯m in.?

Peter?? ?Reavy??Cinephile and Appreciator of culture with good?Smart Brain

Rich Kidd - Fall News site guy. Possibly Northern ??? Many "Our kid" jokes were made, maybe that's why I think of him as Mancunian. Might not be northern. Did the essential work of nabbing the actual bits of Fall Con from the list each week and summarizing them for us in one place.?

rick - real name Andrew John Richardson; I forget his handle; he passed away not long after I joined the list I think, and had obviously had a big impact on the people there given the outpourings of sympathy and respect that followed.?invented?the Cut Out?Craig?for?a M/CR Fall gig in May 96 at the Hacienda. I took this as inspiration and made a?cut out?of retired Foals bassist Walter Gervers to take to a Foals gig and everybody thought *I*?was funny and/or clever, so thanks Rick.

Stefan Cooke - fall gigography ? website guy; when Fallnet started to collect all its fan sites into one, he kind of ran it (even eventually as the approved official site); he and his wife (Resa ?? who may have been from Iceland herself, not sure) had some role in getting the Austurb?jarb¨ª¨® live record released.

Sietse (?Meijer?)? - pronounced "SEAT-suh" Dutch fallnetter; I learned this phrase in Dutch from fallnet "Die plaat is volkommen kut." i.e. "The record is totally c*nt", dutch slang for ¡°not good¡±). Maybe Sietse was the linguist?

Simon Christian,?simonfb, many other unique and interesting simons on list

Steve Dean (stvdean ? forgot how he stylized it); Fallnetter in New Zealand but possibly an English ex-pat?? -? Hey Stv

Stuart Estell --- famous (To me)?for getting handed a guitar during a Fall gig and playing along to a couple of songs from the crowd. I think he was an NHL fan too? Musician and nice guy

Many others. All of your names are in my head forever like grade school classmates.?This is weird. I¡¯m not even?me any more, are any of you still yourselves?

Bah,
Mike Major?
(Inveterate list lurker of the Light User / Levitate /?Unutterable?/ RUR?era (95-2002?))


On 11/2/20 at 8:27 AM, Jeff Curtis wrote:

From: "Jeff Curtis" <jacurtis@...>
Date: November 2, 2020
To: [email protected]
Cc:
Subject: Re: [FallNet] Hello'een
On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 11:16 AM steve dean <stevencharlesdean@...> wrote:
Our Kidd!!!

Didn¡¯t we once bump into each other in Islington, with someone¡¯s called die, Gez, Mel, Simon, Kimmo, Dave Carter etc

Hell, that wasn¡¯t even this century!!!!!

Has anyone told PatEestTripDispenxer orCKovin where we are?

I do believe I saw both of are Pats (de l'Est, de l'Ouest) subscriptions come through, not sure about cut-out Chris Kovin though..

JC?


 

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> Didn¡¯t we once bump into each other in Islington, with someone¡¯s called
> die, Gez, Mel, Simon, Kimmo, Dave Carter etc
?
> stve

If the Simon was a London SImon (Not the late FatBastard) and you might remember his surname to? jog my memory, it might be the guy who first told me about F*llnet and where to find it.
?
He fell into some VERY dodgy mutual company later: even dodgier than I care to keep up with.
?
What was his name. turn of the century Fuckface, not been seen for ages.
?
I can't decant gossip and filth if it's the wrong bloke.?
?
?
Well, I could.
?
Bill
?


 



On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 19:35 wwalters@..., <wwalters@...> wrote:

If the Simon was a London SImon (Not the late FatBastard) and you might remember his surname to? jog my memory, it might be the guy who first told me about F*llnet and where to find it.
?
He fell into some VERY dodgy mutual company later: even dodgier than I care to keep up with.

Fluendy?? Wrote for the Ma*l on Sund*y. About as dodgy as it gets!

Pete


 



Fluendy?? Wrote for the Ma*l on Sund*y. About as dodgy as it gets!

Pete

Hah, sfluendy. He was a bit cross.

I liked David Kettle's acerbic posts so much I saved the following under the title The Boilings of Kettle (replying to a perfectly reasonable question about cricket, maybe from Other John?)

Not a chance. You just want to "research" the game, so that you can write a
"treatment" for a screenplay about cricket. This in line with the current US
trend of mythologising aspects of UK "life" and then selling it back to us,
like we're a bunch of fucking dumbass hickory dickory docks. Look pal, we may
have some quislings in this country, namely the makers of the film Notting Hill
and others of their stinking ilk who will happily collude with yank cultural
imperialism for the sake of big bucks, but there are still some of us with
enough pride to reject the spread of this kind of gloopy cultural homogeneity.

Cricket is an arcane descriptive technique mate. Each aspect of the game is
dripping with occult meaning, and we'll NEVER let you in on its secrets. You
hear me, NEVER!!!!! You may think we're all dying to ape you lot, and are all
desperate to be mythologised, but you can think again. Just because your own
territory is now all mythologised out, and you've run out of space (surely
careless in a country the size of the US) you think we'll be glad to lend you
our country and its sacred rituals for these goulish purposes. But our names
are not all Richard sodding Curtis. Who ever heard of a British man actually
dumb enough to buy BACK London Bridge? Well, yes, there are plenty of cultural
worms trooping along to see Notting Hill who will doubtless be delighted by the
sight of the stupefyingly fatuous Hugh Grant dribbling like a moron over the
glutinous form of skull-on-a-stick Julia Roberts, but they are despised by the
rest of us. We will NEVER capitulate!!


 

Greets Mr Megastar!

i = still here !

Some of the pplz U mention are still active on Fascbook (which is otherwise a hellscape, from which i haz retreated). Graeme, Gez & a few others.

Estell is v active, esp on Twtr, providing Welsh-llanguage insights these days. @5357311

Chapman also on Twtr. In the past few weeks has been creating beats for Collapsed Lung live on Twitch. @scissorkicks

Those are the ones with the publicly active activities that i can think of. ... O¡¯course Jeff & Stve have their long-running radio shows, of which they may wish to promote(!).

i had something else to add, but now i forgetted...

More l8r, most likely.

That was a v fun list of ol¡¯ timers. Even the inaccurate parts make sense in their own way.

Pat, Still Westing (w/o musket)

Sent from i Phone


 

Hello everyone,

I think I¡¯ll be able to participate more often, now that I only work two jobs instead of three, haha...

Sean P.

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 2:26 PM Pete Conkerton via <klacktoveedesteen=[email protected]> wrote:
R Kidd!?

I owe you a deep debt of gratitude from the long long days

Evening all,?
Pete Conk

--
Sean Padilla
(704) 488-1030


 

You can tell by my recollection
this boy¡¯s in mental degradation
No it was mental decline
Inaccurate!!


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On 11/2/20 at 12:41 PM, Patrick Burke wrote:

Greets Mr Megastar!

i = still here !

Some of the pplz U mention are still active on Fascbook (which is otherwise a hellscape, from which i haz retreated). Graeme, Gez & a few others.

Estell is v active, esp on Twtr, providing Welsh-llanguage insights these days. @5357311

Chapman also on Twtr. In the past few weeks has been creating beats for Collapsed Lung live on Twitch. @scissorkicks

Those are the ones with the publicly active activities that i can think of. ... O¡¯course Jeff & Stve have their long-running radio shows, of which they may wish to promote(!).

i had something else to add, but now i forgetted...

More l8r, most likely.

That was a v fun list of ol¡¯ timers. Even the inaccurate parts make sense in their own way.

Pat, Still Westing (w/o musket)

Sent from i Phone





 

Hi Steve, I think we did. Jeez. More years ago than Fall lineups.?

Best wishes to all that did me favours in the past, and allowed me to reciprocate. Was all a lot of fun, that.?

Mike, thanks for that summary of Fallnetters, I have another +100% overlap of various ffaces but the filestore in my head is in roughly the same way.

I think we have two choices:

a) now we've had another 20 years to silently burrow into the fabric of society, we can activate the sleeper signal, rise up and... aw shit

b) as it's just about the 40th anniversary of Grotesque being released, we can just start from there again??

Thoroughly enjoyed the twitter listening parties for Hex / Grotesque & Slates, that Hanley P has potential.?

Cheers

Rich?



On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 16:16 steve dean, <stevencharlesdean@...> wrote:
Our Kidd!!!

Didn¡¯t we once bump into each other in Islington, with someone¡¯s called die, Gez, Mel, Simon, Kimmo, Dave Carter etc

Hell, that wasn¡¯t even this century!!!!!

Has anyone told PatEestTripDispenxer orCKovin where we are?

stve


On 2/11/2020, at 8:03 AM, Jeff Curtis <jacurtis@...> wrote:

?
Hey Rich! Welcome back!!

JC

On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 2:00 PM Rich Kidd <rich.kidd@...> wrote:
And the coffin lid creaks open...

Hey all, as you were.?

Rich


 

Are Doc Chop wrote:

> I liked David Kettle's acerbic posts so much I saved the following under the title The Boilings of Kettle (replying to a perfectly reasonable question about cricket, maybe from Other John?)

Ah, not me. Less because at the time I jined up the list, I knew fuckall about cricket (I now know slightly more than fuckall), but more because groop reaction to D Kettle's departure from the list was THE significant event in progress at the time I joined. I am post-DK and therefore know little about him, other than what I picked up in the years afterward, and that Cole's imprint published his poetry (and that for some reason, I think I may have met him at the Southgate House show in 2004, but that could have been a hallucination on my part). I just know that his departure was somewhat of a V. Big Deal. Or at least that was my (young and impressionable) impression.

I hope and pray that my own arrival in this parish will not be remembered as a low-water/-sludge/-lite beer moment in the history of Are Grate Lisp, but just in case, I do continue to apologize for it on a regular basis.

Sumimasen!
(Low) Flying Sqrl
:)


 

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> If the Simon was a London SImon (Not the late FatBastard) and you might remember his surname to? jog my
> memory, it might be the guy who first told me about F*llnet and where to find it.
?
> He fell into some VERY dodgy mutual company later: even dodgier than I care to keep up with.
?
?
> Fluendy?? Wrote for the Ma*l on Sund*y. About as dodgy as it gets!
?
> Pete
?
No, not him either. And I wish I could say it wasn't as bad as the Sunday Wail.
?
He put me on to F*llnet, then vanished soon after I started posting -- 2000-2001 or so?
?

?

?

_.
?


 

On Monday, November 2, 2020, 04:57:16 PM CST, Bioll axed:

>> Fluendy? Wrote for the Ma*l on Sund*y. About as dodgy as it gets!
>>
>> Pete
>
> No, not him either. And I wish I could say it wasn't as bad as the Sunday Wail.

Simon Christian?

Wasn't it the Simon against which was pitted Are Late Grate Simon FB in the Contest of Fallnet's Favorite Simon Contest? But wasn't that Fluendy?

There weren't four Fallnet Simons, were there?

Not Simon
:)


 

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 1:31 PM <internationalmegastar@...> wrote:
I¡¯ve got an?age-and-brain-fog-limited mental?checklist of 90s?Fallnetters in my head that?I¡¯m crossing off as names resurface. Hi again,?everybody!!


Notable people on Fallnet in my era (late 90s) I¡¯m watching for, you. You were?a big part of my life and I never said so, so....

woah, what a blast from the past this post is! Thanks for this, Mike!?
?
Cole Coonce - top-fuel enthusiast (¡°don't call me a wrenchhead¡±) and also wrote books?ranging?out-beyond-the-tiny-confines-of-the-human-skull about all kinds of topics, including the fall and fallnet, but also the land speed record and various stream of consciousness post-modern screeds

I follow Cole on instagram -- still involved in racing and traversing Death Valley. He seems pretty active on facebook as well.

Anthony Chapman? Aka dj scissorkicks, aka deserved winner?of the Yorkshire disco dancing championships...?

I follow Ant on IG as well, he's always posting pics of his latest "trainers"?
?
Jeff Curtis - ran the Lyrics parade. from ?? Ohio ?? (was a big stooges fan and also turned me onto Ohio stuff like Pere Ubu and My Dad Is Dead). ¡ª-?Oh hi Jeff, what punk rock racket is coming out of the garages of the heartland now?that I should keep an out for these days?

never heard of 'im.?

Oh, wait, you mean me!? I've personally lately been listening to scads of old-timey music from the early 20th century, actually, though really I still listen to a wide variety of stuff. If you're looking for music to listen to, you could always check out my radio show, here:? -- I've been posting downloadable archives of it on my fb page, but if anyone here is interested, hit me up & I'll send you a link to the folder off-list.??

Jonathan Kandell - ran the ? Lyrics Parade ? with Jeff Curtis. Worked at the University of Arizona at the same time I attended and also was discovering fallnet and reading the list in the student union computer lab most days. I think I tried to find his office once, but was worried it would be sad and awkward so I didn't bother.

I follow Jonathan on IG as well.?
?
Mike Wright - american guy, from Detroit or at least Michigan and a big Detroit sports fan... would tailgate the NFL draft at Lions Stadium on draft day. Made the Fall group Windows Theme (for Windows 3.x you could install themes that changed your color palettes and graphics around). Very earnestly a fan of the?Bend Sinister ?? (Who isn¡¯t tho?)

Yes! And famously brought a giant campaign sign from Michigan saying, "MARK E SMITH FOR DRAIN COMMISSIONER" to The Fall's Trocadero show in Philadelphia in 1998 (I believe that was the year anyway)!?

OJ ("Other John", always signed off with some "mark", e.g. "% <--- his percentage mark" or whatever (bad example). Late but memorable arrival in my time on fallnet. He was American and wrote long and absurd but hilarious?emails to the list. Hi oJohn. #ObOjCon

-- and persists to this day!
?
Patrick Burke - aka Pat Trip - worked at UCLA I think (did something to do with internet usability. Introduced me to KCRW (LA¡¯s NPR station?and eclectic music beacon) (I have a feeling he was friends with, or at least a fan of, Eric J. Lawrence, the KCRW DJ who was also a big Fall fan and named his radio show ¡°Dragnet¡±). One of the funniest people on fallnet in my opinion. Can't think of good examples, so here's a bad one: I still tell Pat's joke to my Dutch friends when I'm in Amsterdam .... "How do you get to Haarlem?" "Take the AA train." (never gets a laugh). I think I might¡¯ve spotted him at a?Mekons gig in a hunting lodge in LA?last year, and again did not say hello because,?yeah, this is a pattern I¡¯m in.?

Also still present and accounted for!?
?
rick - real name Andrew John Richardson; I forget his handle; he passed away not long after I joined the list I think, and had obviously had a big impact on the people there given the outpourings of sympathy and respect that followed.?invented?the Cut Out?Craig?for?a M/CR Fall gig in May 96 at the Hacienda. I took this as inspiration and made a?cut out?of retired Foals bassist Walter Gervers to take to a Foals gig and everybody thought *I*?was funny and/or clever, so thanks Rick.

yep, he was a Librarian, as I was at the time; that was a sad loss for sure, he was an affable, witty fellow.?
?
Stuart Estell --- famous (To me)?for getting handed a guitar during a Fall gig and playing along to a couple of songs from the crowd. I think he was an NHL fan too? Musician and nice guy

Active as a Welsh-language learner on Twitter!??

Many others. All of your names are in my head forever like grade school classmates.?This is weird. I¡¯m not even?me any more, are any of you still yourselves?

One thing I can say about myself is that I have pretty much never changed, for better or worse.??

Bah,
Mike Major?
(Inveterate list lurker of the Light User / Levitate /?Unutterable?/ RUR?era (95-2002?))

Welcome back, Mike!

JC?


 

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chris Hopkins <doc.hop@...> wrote:


Fluendy?? Wrote for the Ma*l on Sund*y. About as dodgy as it gets!

Pete

Hah, sfluendy. He was a bit cross.

I liked David Kettle's acerbic posts so much I saved the following under the title The Boilings of Kettle (replying to a perfectly reasonable question about cricket, maybe from Other John?)

Not a chance. You just want to "research" the game, so that you can write a
"treatment" for a screenplay about cricket. This in line with the current US
trend of mythologising aspects of UK "life" and then selling it back to us,
like we're a bunch of fucking dumbass hickory dickory docks. Look pal, we may
have some quislings in this country, namely the makers of the film Notting Hill
and others of their stinking ilk who will happily collude with yank cultural
imperialism for the sake of big bucks, but there are still some of us with
enough pride to reject the spread of this kind of gloopy cultural homogeneity.

Cricket is an arcane descriptive technique mate. Each aspect of the game is
dripping with occult meaning, and we'll NEVER let you in on its secrets. You
hear me, NEVER!!!!! You may think we're all dying to ape you lot, and are all
desperate to be mythologised, but you can think again. Just because your own
territory is now all mythologised out, and you've run out of space (surely
careless in a country the size of the US) you think we'll be glad to lend you
our country and its sacred rituals for these goulish purposes. But our names
are not all Richard sodding Curtis. Who ever heard of a British man actually
dumb enough to buy BACK London Bridge? Well, yes, there are plenty of cultural
worms trooping along to see Notting Hill who will doubtless be delighted by the
sight of the stupefyingly fatuous Hugh Grant dribbling like a moron over the
glutinous form of skull-on-a-stick Julia Roberts, but they are despised by the
rest of us. We will NEVER capitulate!!

oh man, laughing. I will never forgive the various "social networks" for tanking the email list concept.?

JC