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WAC report
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Dave,
Since now the WAC (and 5B-WAC) may be obtained from one's DXCC accout (Application forms with cards credited in a DXCC account can be sent to WAC by e-mail or fax along with payment noted on the form) can you modify the provided WAC report to show LOTW status as well as card status? Or does the statement mean literally "CARDS"? Thanks and 73 Pete K5GM Pete Jordahl, K5GM k5gm@... |
-----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of Peter Jordahl Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:28 PM To: DXLAB DXLAB Subject: [dxlab] WAC report Dave, Since now the WAC (and 5B-WAC) may be obtained from one's DXCC accout (Application forms with cards credited in a DXCC account can be sent to WAC by e-mail or fax along with payment noted on the form) can you modify the provided WAC report to show LOTW status as well as card status? announcement to this effect from the ARRL.Do LotW confirmations now count towards the WAC award? I have not seen an include LotW confirmations: on the Config window's Award tab, check theYou can direct DXKeeper to generate a WAC progress report that does "Include LotW confirmations in VUCC, WAC, & Maidenhead progress before running the progress report. 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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2009/9/5 Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...>:
-----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below (Application forms with cards credited in a DXCC account can be sent to WACNo, it's like he said - half-ASCII. -- Peter Laws | N5UWY | plaws plaws net | Travel by Train! |
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The WAC award info on the ARRL website says LoTW credits cannot be used.
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"... At the present time credits in the ARRL LogBook of The World (LoTW) system cannot be claimed for WAC credit. Applicants who have a current DXCC award in the DXCC computer system can apply for WAC by completing the WAC application form and sending it to the address noted above, listing credits to be claimed on the application form. In this case QSL cards are not required. ...." That would seem to suggest that once you get your LoTW QSOs credited toward DXCC you could submit an application to have those credits applied to WAC. 73, Larry W6NWS ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: RE: [dxlab] WAC report -----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below |
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Until there's a definitive announcement from the ARRL indicating the LotW
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confirmations are acceptable for the WAC award, I don't believe its appropriate for DXKeeper's WAC progress report to by default include LotW confirmations. As I pointed out earlier, DXKeeper does provide an option that when enabled causes DXKeeper's WAC progress report to include LotW confirmations, so those wondering what their status will be once LotW confirmations are accepted for this award can easily satisfy their curiosity. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of Larry Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 9:17 PM To: dxlab@... Subject: Re: [dxlab] WAC report The WAC award info on the ARRL website says LoTW credits cannot be used. "... At the present time credits in the ARRL LogBook of The World (LoTW) system cannot be claimed for WAC credit. Applicants who have a current DXCC award in the DXCC computer system can apply for WAC by completing the WAC application form and sending it to the address noted above, listing credits to be claimed on the application form. In this case QSL cards are not required. ...." That would seem to suggest that once you get your LoTW QSOs credited toward DXCC you could submit an application to have those credits applied to WAC. 73, Larry W6NWS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> To: <dxlab@...> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: RE: [dxlab] WAC report -----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.13.74/2339 - Release Date: 09/05/09 05:51:00 |
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Phil Cooper
Hi all,
Larry W6NWS quoted the ARRL site................ "... At the present time credits in the ARRL LogBook of The World (LoTW) system cannot be claimed for WAC credit. Applicants who have a current DXCC award in the DXCC computer system can apply for WAC by completing the WAC application form and sending it to the address noted above, listing credits to be claimed on the application form. In this case QSL cards are not required. ...." I did find the above statement a little confusing at first, but it implies that LoTW credits that are now part of your DXCC claim CAN indeed be used. So, I thought I would do a search and see what I came up with. It took a while to get the proper SQL function, but I got there in the end. The confusing bit was having to remember to use both the LoTW QSL Received and also the QSL Received functions for all of S and V. But, after a few goes, I got it right, and found that I do indeed have enough DXCC credits to claim 5BWAC - all on RTTY. Another point for those wishing to check whether they have 5BWAC, you must also filter the log for each band as well as filtering for QSL's verified. I just entered the SQL expression in the ADV boxes, and then changed the band after each click of the WAC progress button. Save the resulting file as something like WAC-80m and you are away! 73 all, Phil GU0SUP --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090906-1, 06/09/2009 Tested on: 07/09/2009 16:35:57 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. |
-----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of Phil Cooper Sent: Monday, September 07, 2009 11:36 AM To: dxlab@... Subject: [dxlab] RE: WAC report Hi all, Larry W6NWS quoted the ARRL site................ "... At the present time credits in the ARRL LogBook of The World (LoTW) system cannot be claimed for WAC credit. Applicants who have a current DXCC award in the DXCC computer system can apply for WAC by completing the WAC application form and sending it to the address noted above, listing credits to be claimed on the application form. In this case QSL cards are not required. ...." I did find the above statement a little confusing at first, but it implies that LoTW credits that are now part of your DXCC claim CAN indeed be used. awards with LotW. If WAC were now supported by LotW, we'd have seen a pressI'm dubious. There's been a ton of pressure on the ARRL to support more release. You can configure DXKeeper to "count" LotW confirmations when generating a WAC progress report; I'm not going to "hardwire" this untill I see a press release. So, I thought I would do a search and see what I came up with. It took a while to get the proper SQL function, but I got there in the end. The confusing bit was having to remember to use both the LoTW QSL Received and also the QSL Received functions for all of S and V. But, after a few goes, I got it right, and found that I do indeed have enough DXCC credits to claim 5BWAC - all on RTTY. & Maidenhead progress" box at the top of the Config window's Awards tabYou can do this by checking the "include LotW confirmations in VUCC, WAC, before initiating the WAC progress report. Another point for those wishing to check whether they have 5BWAC, you must also filter the log for each band as well as filtering for QSL's verified. I just entered the SQL expression in the ADV boxes, and then changed the band after each click of the WAC progress button. Save the resulting file as something like WAC-80m and you are away! band. The MultiWAS.txt file in DXKeeper's Scripts folder illustrates theYou could create a script to generate a WAC progress report for each technique. 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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Phil Cooper
Hi again Dave,
Yes, I see your point, but I read that statement to mean that ANY DXCC entities already CREDITED for the DXCC program can be utilised in the application. As far as I can make out (and this is where the ARRL statement could be misconstrued!) the important part is: "Applicants who have a current DXCC award in the DXCC computer system can apply for WAC by completing the WAC application form ........" By that I assume they mean that if I have (for example) AA6YQ verified as my DXCC entity on each band in LoTW, then I can claim that call for use in the WAC application, as it is verified as a DXCC entity, and also counts for NA in WAC. Now, as I do NOT have AA6YQ listed in my DXCC list for W, then I cannot use it to claim WAC for NA, even if it were a good match in LoTW. To get my SQL statement, I had to use QSL_Rec'd (LoTW and Paper) ='v' and ='s' (but not 'y')!! I plan to submit my claim using all DXCC credits, including a few that are verified via LoTW, but I may just send them an email first to query that staement. I'll let you know what happens. 73 all Phil GU0SUP --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 090906-1, 06/09/2009 Tested on: 07/09/2009 20:25:16 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2009 ALWIL Software. |
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Art Searle
Hi All,
I asked Bill, NC1L, this morning. Here's our exchange: - - - - - - - - - - I wrote: The WAC application indicates that you can use DXCC account credits. Does that apply to all credits, even those that came from LotW DXCC applications? Art: Once the credits are in your DXCC account they are OK to use. 73 Bill Moore NC1L Awards Branch Manager - - - - - - - - - - - So, there's your definitive answer. I can see why no public announcement. It's sort of back door. No ability to apply for WAC directly through LotW but you can use previously accepted DXCC credits. This makes sense to me as why do all that programming for 6 QSLs for the award. Even the 5 Band WAC only requires 30 QSLs and there are no 12, 17, 30m endorsements for WAC. 73 Art W2NRA "Keep to the Code!" w2nra.com --- In dxlab@..., "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> wrote:awards with LotW. If WAC were now supported by LotW, we'd have seen a pressI'm dubious. There's been a ton of pressure on the ARRL to support more -----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below |
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Thanks, Art. In the next version of DXKeeper, the WAC Progress Report counts
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LotW confirmations. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of Art Searle Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 11:06 AM To: dxlab@... Subject: RE: [dxlab] RE: WAC report Hi All, I asked Bill, NC1L, this morning. Here's our exchange: - - - - - - - - - - I wrote: The WAC application indicates that you can use DXCC account credits. Does that apply to all credits, even those that came from LotW DXCC applications? Art: Once the credits are in your DXCC account they are OK to use. 73 Bill Moore NC1L Awards Branch Manager - - - - - - - - - - - So, there's your definitive answer. I can see why no public announcement. It's sort of back door. No ability to apply for WAC directly through LotW but you can use previously accepted DXCC credits. This makes sense to me as why do all that programming for 6 QSLs for the award. Even the 5 Band WAC only requires 30 QSLs and there are no 12, 17, 30m endorsements for WAC. 73 Art W2NRA "Keep to the Code!" w2nra.com --- In dxlab@..., "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> wrote:awards with LotW. If WAC were now supported by LotW, we'd have seenI'm dubious. There's been a ton of pressure on the ARRL to -----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2353 - Release Date: 09/09/09 06:53:00 |
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Bill Bailey, KG4NZR
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From: "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> Sent: Wednesday, 09 September, 2009 5:36 PM To: <dxlab@...> Subject: RE: [dxlab] RE: WAC report Thanks, Art. In the next version of DXKeeper, the WAC Progress Report countsAll LotW confirmations or only those set to "V"? Seems like counting all LotW confirmations would yield incorrect WAC totals if the LotW confirmation has not been submitted and added to DXCC credit. Bill Bailey, KG4NZR Kissimmee, FL Osceola County, Grid EL98hg |
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pcooper
Dave and the group,
Bill KG4NZR hit the nail on the head here. It has to be only QSO's that are listed as V that can be used. Thanks, Art. In the next version of DXKeeper, the WAC Progress Report All LotW confirmations or only those set to "V"? Seems like counting all73 de Phil GU0SUP |
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The WAC progress report now considers QSOs confirmed by QSL cards and QSOs confirmed via LotW. A QSO confirmed via QSL card doesn't actually "count" until it's submitted to and verified by the ARRL. Similarly, a QSO confirmed via LotW doesn't actually "count" until its submitted to and verified by the ARRL.
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Said another way, a QSO confirmed via LotW will "count" towards WAC after its been submitted to and approved by the DXCC desk. Thus it should appear in the WAC progress report. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In dxlab@..., "Bill Bailey, KG4NZR" <kg4nzr@...> wrote:
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Art Searle
Hi Dave,
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Actually LoW QSLs have to be submitted to ARRL and approved toward a DXCC award (I'm not sure about WAS LotW QSLs for WAC NA). The way you worded that sounded like you could submit LotW QSLs for WAC and you can't. They have to be already credited. QSLs via card either have to be approved toward a DXCC Award or the cards can be submitted or they can be checked by a card checker. I'm also wondering about the 5 Band WAC. I think we need to keep in mind that QSL cards submitted a long time ago, prior to the band implementated computer tracking at ARRL, didn't include band credit. So for 5 band WAC I recomment using the QSLs listed in DXCC credit on the LotW Award matrix page. I recently submitted my 5 Band WAC application but it was before I knew about the LotW credit thingy. But I did verify that all of my WAC QSL card entries were listed in my ARRL LotW DXCC band award matrix on the website. 73 Art W2NRA "Keep to the Code!" w2nra.com On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:31 PM, aa6yq <aa6yq@...> wrote:
The WAC progress report now considers QSOs confirmed by QSL cards and QSOs confirmed via LotW. A QSO confirmed via QSL card doesn't actually "count" until it's submitted to and verified by the ARRL. Similarly, a QSO confirmed via LotW doesn't actually "count" until its submitted to and verified by the ARRL. |
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If an LotW confirmation of 7O1YGF is my first confirmation of Asia, then my
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assumption is that I can 1. submit this 7O1YGF LotW confirmation for DXCC credit 2. after the DXCC desk grants credit, submit the now-verified 7O1YGF LotW confirmation for WAC credit Is this correct? If so, then were I to run DXKeeper's WAC Progress report a few minutes after "Sync LotW QSLs" reveals the new confirmation of 7O1YGF, shouldn't' that Progress report list 7O1YGF for Asia with an LotW status of Y ? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -----Original Message-----
From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of Art Searle Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:16 PM To: dxlab@... Cc: dxlab@... Subject: Re: [dxlab] Re: WAC report Hi Dave, Actually LoW QSLs have to be submitted to ARRL and approved toward a DXCC award (I'm not sure about WAS LotW QSLs for WAC NA). The way you worded that sounded like you could submit LotW QSLs for WAC and you can't. They have to be already credited. QSLs via card either have to be approved toward a DXCC Award or the cards can be submitted or they can be checked by a card checker. I'm also wondering about the 5 Band WAC. I think we need to keep in mind that QSL cards submitted a long time ago, prior to the band implementated computer tracking at ARRL, didn't include band credit. So for 5 band WAC I recomment using the QSLs listed in DXCC credit on the LotW Award matrix page. I recently submitted my 5 Band WAC application but it was before I knew about the LotW credit thingy. But I did verify that all of my WAC QSL card entries were listed in my ARRL LotW DXCC band award matrix on the website. 73 Art W2NRA "Keep to the Code!" w2nra.com On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:31 PM, aa6yq <aa6yq@...> wrote: The WAC progress report now considers QSOs confirmed by QSL cards ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.13.83/2353 - Release Date: 09/10/09 11:29:00 |
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Art Searle
Yes, I think that is right.
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73 Art W2NRA "Keep to the Code!" w2nra.com On Sep 10, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Dave AA6YQ <aa6yq@...> wrote:
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Dave,
I guess I started a tempest in a teapot! But I think because the QSO must be verified, I would prefer to see the WAC Progress report show 'V' to avoid any confusion. I assume that in your proposed scheme only QSO's marked 'V' in APP_DXKEEPER_LOTW_QSL_RCVD would be allowed to show in the report. Pete K5GM On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:01 -0400, "Dave AA6YQ" <aa6yq@...> wrote: If an LotW confirmation of 7O1YGF is my first confirmation of Asia, thenPete Jordahl, K5GM k5gm@... |
-----Original Message-----AA6YQ comments below From: dxlab@... [mailto:dxlab@...]On Behalf Of Peter Jordahl Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:34 PM To: DXLAB DXLAB Subject: RE: [dxlab] Re: WAC report Dave, I guess I started a tempest in a teapot! But I think because the QSO must be verified, I would prefer to see the WAC Progress report show 'V' to avoid any confusion. I assume that in your proposed scheme only QSO's marked 'V' in APP_DXKEEPER_LOTW_QSL_RCVD would be allowed to show in the report. report will "count" a QSO whose "LotW QSL Rcvd" item is set to 'Y', 'S', orNo. As presently implemented (but not yet released), the WAC progress 'V'. A QSO whose "LotW QSL Rcvd" item is set to 'Y' or 'S' can be submitted to the DXCC desk for DXCC credit, and then submitted for WAC credit. 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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Hi Dave old post.
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I was looking at my WAC from 1987.? And from there was wondering if I was close to 5B WAC, after all these years?
I followed the suggestions in this post.
DxKeeper Check Progress..........Then Configuration/Awards/I checked: Include eQSL.............(and all the DXCC Bands and Modes are checked)
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Then saw your scripts button at the bottom of the Check Progress page and double clicked on 5BWAC.
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From there, 10M, 15M, and 20M look fine.
But 40M has a W1AW/4 RTTY CONTACT back in 2014 as "EU"
? ? ? ?80M has a? FT8 CONTACT back in 2017 XE2YWB as AS , TG9ANF FT8 CONTACT back in 2018 as "EU"
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So was wondering if I missed part of the procedure?? I was going to use your report to go to my DXCC account, to verify from there.
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Thanks,? ED WA6WGS
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+ AA6YQ comments below
I was looking at my WAC from 1987. And from there was wondering if I was close to 5B WAC, after all these years? I followed the suggestions in this post. DxKeeper Check Progress..........Then Configuration/Awards/I checked: Include eQSL.............(and all the DXCC Bands and Modes are checked) Then saw your scripts button at the bottom of the Check Progress page and double clicked on 5BWAC. From there, 10M, 15M, and 20M look fine. But 40M has a W1AW/4 RTTY CONTACT back in 2014 as "EU" + Correct the erroneous Continent item specified in this logged QSO. 80M has a FT8 CONTACT back in 2017 XE2YWB as AS + Correct the erroneous Continent item specified in this logged QSO. TG9ANF FT8 CONTACT back in 2018 as "EU" + Correct the erroneous Continent item specified in this logged QSO. So was wondering if I missed part of the procedure? + All progress reports generated by DXKeeper are dependent on the accuracy of the information logged in each QSO. After you correct the errors you report above, try running the 5BWAC script again. 73, Dave, AA6YQ |
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