Cox High Speed Internet does cost a bit more, and you get a lot of
performance for the bucks:
Your phone line remains free. If you have a second phone line, you
may cancel it after you get the cable modem and save that cost. If
you currently have a pay ISP (MSN, AOL, EXIS...) you may cancel that
too and save that cost. Together, the price of a second phone line
and an ISP are about the same as the Cox High Speed Internet price
(with cable) so you should just about break even.

You get:
3Mbps-download speed, 256Kbps-upload speed
Always on
7 email addresses
Up to 70 MB of Web space
24x7 Tech Support
No long term contracts
30 day money back guarantee

The service costs $39.95 w/cable. You can rent the modem
($10/month), or buy one from many sources.

I do not want to turn this into a sale pitch, I know, too late, I'm
sorry and I will stop here. I am just very passionate about the
service I provide (yes, I provide). I work for Cox and I run the
Master Telecommunication Center, the old term was `headend'. If
anyone has any questions, please feel free to send them my way.

kevin.weiner@...

Kevin

PS: Our scope (my wife Barb and I) is due tomorrow. We both do
solemnly swear and promise that we will not open the box and let the
clouds out until after Friday night :)

See you tomorrow at TCC.

Dick,

Yahoo is MUCH, MUCH better than Hotmail!? I am gradually migrating over to Yahoo for most of my correspondence.? It is more user-friendly, has a?better address book function (you cannot sort hotmail addresses by last name!!!), and seems more robust.? Hotmail has been giving me errors lately, in the middle of messages I was composing, with no escape -- I lose everything and the application terminates!?

I get a tremendous amount of junk mail and sleazy spam?in Hotmail, and almost none in Yahoo.? I daily have to delete half a dozen ads in Hotmail for Viagra and breast enlargement (and other less reputable emails) without ever opening them.

I say I am gradually moving to Yahoo, because I have almost 150 addresses and 15 group address lists in Hotmail.? It is taking me a while to move everything over, as I want to check and make sure all the addresses are current as I make the switch.? I may keep a small account as a "catchall" or backup.?

I'm thinking, if I shut down the hotmail account, the spammers may come looking for me in Yahoo.? Maybe I can use the old account as my "flypaper'.? (!)

George

?Richard Moncure wrote:

Ouch.? Maybe I'll try yahoo or hot mail first.

Dick Moncure

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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:38 PM

Subject: RE: [backbayastro]

It'll run u about 50 smackers a month.....which when coupled with your TV cable bill totals a heck of a lot of smackers a month......

?

Denice
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:32 PM
To: backbayastro@...
Subject: Re: [backbayastro]

?

I've got Cox also, Dick.? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back to a dialup line.

George

?Richard Moncure wrote:

Thanks Guys.? I check into it and my budget.

Dick Moncure

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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:22 AM

Subject: RE: [backbayastro] Re: Trying to contact Dick Moncure

?

COX is great...... Once you go to a cable modem you will never go back to dial-up.....Click and you are there.

?

Mat

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Subject: [backbayastro] Re: Trying to contact Dick Moncure

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ATTENTION all BBAA members!

?

This month?s meeting will be a real winner!?

Don?t miss out this Thursday night, March 6, at 7:30 pm at TCC, Room F-112.?

?

Richard Dickson will show his ?must-see? video of the famous Texas Star Party and the recent Winter Star Party in the Florida Keys.

?

Gearing up for Messier Marathon time and the East coast Star Party, we will have a brief panel discussion / Q & A session on how to do a ?Messier Marathon?.? (No, it?s not a 26-mile run carrying a peanut butter and jelly sandwich!)

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We hope to see you there!!!

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Cookies and (decaf) coffee will be available.

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It's cheaper in the long run if you buy a cable modem at Best Buy, rather than rent one from Cox for $15 a month.

?"Woody, Denice K" wrote:

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?

Denice
?

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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:32 PM
To: backbayastro@...
Subject: Re: [backbayastro]

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I've got Cox also, Dick.? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back to a dialup line.

George

?Richard Moncure wrote:

Thanks Guys.? I check into it and my budget.

Dick Moncure

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:22 AM

Subject: RE: [backbayastro] Re: Trying to contact Dick Moncure

?

COX is great...... Once you go to a cable modem you will never go back to dial-up.....Click and you are there.

?

Mat

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Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:37 PM
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Subject: [backbayastro] Re: Trying to contact Dick Moncure

?

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(757) 224-4663 (Peninsula)

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U so smoooooth..... now I know why we elected u Prez.... :-}

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:59 PM
To: backbayastro@...
Subject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects


My new award:

1) Observe the Double Cluster.

2) Note that you can see at least 110 stars.

3) Send me a letter to that effect.

4) Enclose a check for $20.

You will receive a beautiful personalized certificate signed by me.

Rob



From: George Reynolds <pathfinder027@...>
Reply-To: backbayastro@...
To: backbayastro@...
Subject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:40:23 -0800 (PST)


Dale,
I want 20 books! My $100 check is in the mail. (E-mail, that is!)

G3

Dale Carey <stargaz@...> wrote:FOR SALEDale Carey's "chosen list"

THE 5 MOST OBSERVED OBJECTS IN THE NIGHT SKY1. MOON 2.
JUPITER3. SATURN4. ORION NEBULA5. ? observers choice You can buy
this book by e-mailing me and I will download this list to you.
&5.00ThankyouDC ----- Original Message ----- From: George Reynolds To:
backbayastro@... Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:02
AMSubject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects

>
>I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, >unsolicited, to

Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark. He was >as surprised as anyone that it
even got printed, and more >surprised than most that it caught on.

You're right, Ted. In fact, if one goes to the "Caldwell Club" page on the
Astonomical League Web site
(), they show this

letter from Sir Patrick himself.
A Letter from Sir Patrick Moore
SIR PATRICK MOORE CBE DSc (Hon) FRAS

Farthings
West Street
Selsey
England

The idea of the Caldwell Catalogue came to me one night, after I had been
observing the Moon (my own subject) and had looked casually at the Perseus
Sword-Handle. This has no Messier number. (Messier catalogued nebulae as
'objects to avoid' during his comet searches, and in any case limited
himself to the northern part of the sky.) There are many Messier clubs. Why
not draw up a catalogue of bright nebular objects omitted by Messier?

I did so - and more or less on the spur of the moment, sent it off to Sky
and Telescope. To my surprise it caught on, and by now everyone seems to use

the Caldwell numbers. I could not use M numbers, because Messier and Moore
begin with M - but my proper name is hyphenated (Caldwell-Moore), so I used
C.

All the Caldwell objects are within range of modest equipment. They are
arranged in declinations, so that to survey them all means some travel - but

that is not a problem nowadays.

Why not try a Caldwell competition? This is not a difficult matter - and
here is the list; try it and see how many of the C objects you can locate. I

wonder who will be the first observer to win a Caldwell Certificate?

I wish you luck, and clear skies!

PATRICK MOORE



**
BTW, Caldwell Club certificate number 1 was appropriately awarded to Sir
Patrick Moore.
-- George '3'
twforte@... wrote: In a message dated 3/5/2003 6:20:29 AM Eastern
Standard Time, "Rob Schonk" <robschonk@...> writes:

>There is a lot of controversy as to why a primarily lunar observer would
be
>chosen to choose a list of deep sky objects....
>
I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, unsolicited, to
Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark. He was as surprised as anyone that it
even got printed, and more surprised than most that it caught on.

Ted


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Rob,

What will you call it?? The "Schonk Certificate"?

Or will it be "Skyway ROBbery"?

G3

?Rob Schonk wrote:

My new award:

1) Observe the Double Cluster.

2) Note that you can see at least 110 stars.

3) Send me a letter to that effect.

4) Enclose a check for $20.

You will receive a beautiful personalized certificate signed by me.

Rob



From: George Reynolds
Reply-To: backbayastro@...
To: backbayastro@...
Subject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:40:23 -0800 (PST)


Dale,
I want 20 books!? My $100 check is in the mail.? (E-mail, that is!)

G3

? Dale Carey wrote:FOR SALEDale Carey's "chosen list"???
????? THE 5 MOST OBSERVED OBJECTS IN THE NIGHT SKY1.??? MOON??? 2.???
JUPITER3.??? SATURN4.??? ORION NEBULA5.??? ? observers choice You can buy
this book by e-mailing me and I will download this list to you.
&5.00ThankyouDC?? ----- Original Message ----- From: George Reynolds To:
backbayastro@... Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:02
AMSubject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects

>
>I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, >unsolicited, to
Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark.? He was >as surprised as anyone that it
even got printed, and more >surprised than most that it caught on.

You're right, Ted.? In fact, if one goes to the "Caldwell Club" page on the
Astonomical League Web site
( they show this
letter from Sir Patrick himself.
A Letter from Sir Patrick Moore
SIR PATRICK MOORE CBE DSc (Hon) FRAS

Farthings
West Street
Selsey
England

The idea of the Caldwell Catalogue came to me one night, after I had been
observing the Moon (my own subject) and had looked casually at the Perseus
Sword-Handle. This has no Messier number. (Messier catalogued nebulae as
'objects to avoid' during his comet searches, and in any case limited
himself to the northern part of the sky.) There are many Messier clubs. Why
not draw up a catalogue of bright nebular objects omitted by Messier?

I did so - and more or less on the spur of the moment, sent it off to Sky
and Telescope. To my surprise it caught on, and by now everyone seems to use
the Caldwell numbers. I could not use M numbers, because Messier and Moore
begin with M - but my proper name is hyphenated (Caldwell-Moore), so I used
C.

All the Caldwell objects are within range of modest equipment. They are
arranged in declinations, so that to survey them all means some travel - but
that is not a problem nowadays.

Why not try a Caldwell competition? This is not a difficult matter - and
here is the list; try it and see how many of the C objects you can locate. I
wonder who will be the first observer to win a Caldwell Certificate?

I wish you luck, and clear skies!

PATRICK MOORE



**
BTW, Caldwell Club certificate number 1 was appropriately awarded to Sir
Patrick Moore.
-- George '3'
? twforte@... wrote: In a message dated 3/5/2003 6:20:29 AM Eastern
Standard Time, "Rob Schonk" writes:

>There is a lot of controversy as to why a primarily lunar observer would
be
>chosen to choose a list of deep sky objects....
>
I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, unsolicited, to
Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark.? He was as surprised as anyone that it
even got printed, and more surprised than most that it caught on.

Ted


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2) Note that you can see at least 110 stars.

3) Send me a letter to that effect.

4) Enclose a check for $20.

You will receive a beautiful personalized certificate signed by me.

Rob



From: George Reynolds <pathfinder027@...>
Reply-To: backbayastro@...
To: backbayastro@...
Subject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:40:23 -0800 (PST)


Dale,
I want 20 books! My $100 check is in the mail. (E-mail, that is!)

G3

I've got Cox also, Dick.? I don't know what I'd do if I had to go back to a dialup line.

George

?Richard Moncure wrote:

Thanks Guys.? I check into it and my budget.

Dick Moncure

----- Original Message -----

From: Louis Snellings

To: backbayastro@...

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:22 AM

Subject: RE: [backbayastro] Re: Trying to contact Dick Moncure

COX is great?? Once you go to a cable modem you will never go back to dial-up?..Click and you are there.

?

Mat

?

-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Weiner [mailto:kevin.weiner@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:37 PM
To: backbayastro@...
Subject: [backbayastro] Re: Trying to contact Dick Moncure

?

If you are in an area serviced by Cox, their cable modem service is
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Cox Hampton Roads:
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(757) 224-4663 (Peninsula)

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Dale,

I want 20 books!? My $100 check is in the mail.? (E-mail, that is!)?

G3

?Dale Carey wrote:

FOR SALE

Dale Carey's "chosen list"

?

??? ??? THE 5 MOST OBSERVED OBJECTS IN THE NIGHT SKY

1.????MOON???

2.??? JUPITER

3.??? SATURN

4.??? ORION NEBULA

5.??? ? observers choice

?

You can buy this book by e-mailing me and I will download this list to you. &5.00

Thank

you

DC

?

?

----- Original Message -----

From: George Reynolds

To: backbayastro@...

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects

>
>I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, >unsolicited, to Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark.? He was >as surprised as anyone that it even got printed, and more >surprised than most that it caught on.

You're right, Ted.? In fact, if one goes to the "Caldwell Club" page on the Astonomical League Web site (), they show this letter from Sir Patrick himself.

A Letter from Sir Patrick Moore

SIR PATRICK MOORE CBE DSc (Hon) FRAS

Farthings
West Street
Selsey
England

The idea of the Caldwell Catalogue came to me one night, after I had been observing the Moon (my own subject) and had looked casually at the Perseus Sword-Handle. This has no Messier number. (Messier catalogued nebulae as 'objects to avoid' during his comet searches, and in any case limited himself to the northern part of the sky.) There are many Messier clubs. Why not draw up a catalogue of bright nebular objects omitted by Messier?

I did so - and more or less on the spur of the moment, sent it off to Sky and Telescope. To my surprise it caught on, and by now everyone seems to use the Caldwell numbers. I could not use M numbers, because Messier and Moore begin with M - but my proper name is hyphenated (Caldwell-Moore), so I used C.

All the Caldwell objects are within range of modest equipment. They are arranged in declinations, so that to survey them all means some travel - but that is not a problem nowadays.

Why not try a Caldwell competition? This is not a difficult matter - and here is the list; try it and see how many of the C objects you can locate. I wonder who will be the first observer to win a Caldwell Certificate?

I wish you luck, and clear skies!

PATRICK MOORE

**

BTW, Caldwell Club certificate number 1 was appropriately awarded to Sir Patrick Moore.

-- George '3'

?twforte@... wrote:

In a message dated 3/5/2003 6:20:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Rob Schonk" writes:

>There is a lot of controversy as to why a primarily lunar observer would be
>chosen to choose a list of deep sky objects....
>
I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, unsolicited, to Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark.? He was as surprised as anyone that it even got printed, and more surprised than most that it caught on.

Ted


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>
>I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, >unsolicited, to Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark.? He was >as surprised as anyone that it even got printed, and more >surprised than most that it caught on.

You're right, Ted.? In fact, if one goes to the "Caldwell Club" page on the Astonomical League Web site (), they show this letter from Sir Patrick himself.

A Letter from Sir Patrick Moore

SIR PATRICK MOORE CBE DSc (Hon) FRAS

Farthings
West Street
Selsey
England

The idea of the Caldwell Catalogue came to me one night, after I had been observing the Moon (my own subject) and had looked casually at the Perseus Sword-Handle. This has no Messier number. (Messier catalogued nebulae as 'objects to avoid' during his comet searches, and in any case limited himself to the northern part of the sky.) There are many Messier clubs. Why not draw up a catalogue of bright nebular objects omitted by Messier?

I did so - and more or less on the spur of the moment, sent it off to Sky and Telescope. To my surprise it caught on, and by now everyone seems to use the Caldwell numbers. I could not use M numbers, because Messier and Moore begin with M - but my proper name is hyphenated (Caldwell-Moore), so I used C.

All the Caldwell objects are within range of modest equipment. They are arranged in declinations, so that to survey them all means some travel - but that is not a problem nowadays.

Why not try a Caldwell competition? This is not a difficult matter - and here is the list; try it and see how many of the C objects you can locate. I wonder who will be the first observer to win a Caldwell Certificate?

I wish you luck, and clear skies!

PATRICK MOORE

**

BTW, Caldwell Club certificate number 1 was appropriately awarded to Sir Patrick Moore.

-- George '3'

?twforte@... wrote:

In a message dated 3/5/2003 6:20:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Rob Schonk" writes:

>There is a lot of controversy as to why a primarily lunar observer would be
>chosen to choose a list of deep sky objects....
>
I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, unsolicited, to Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark.? He was as surprised as anyone that it even got printed, and more surprised than most that it caught on.

Ted


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In a message dated 3/5/2003 9:27:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, George Reynolds <pathfinder027@...> writes:

Controversy?
I don't see why anyone couldn't make a list of their favorite 100, or 400, or 1000 objects. ???It's a personal preference list, isn't it? ???It's not like the lister discovered each of the objects and is trying to make a name for himself.
George

Of course. I think the "controversy" stems from the assignment of "Caldwell Numbers" to these well established and very well known objects. (Most of which were discovered by Herschel by the way). Its a tempest in a teapot really. Its just a good observing program of some fine objects.

And as is pointed out in the book, herschel himself was primarily a "planetary observer", yet he discovered more than 2500 deep sky objects. And it is also pointed out that the author of the book, O'Meara is a bit of a shallow sky guy as well. So the lines are pretty blurred.

Ted

In a message dated 3/5/2003 6:20:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Rob Schonk" <robschonk@...> writes:

There is a lot of controversy as to why a primarily lunar observer would be
chosen to choose a list of deep sky objects....

I don't think he was "Chosen." I think he sent this list, unsolicited, to Sky & Telescope as a bit of a lark. He was as surprised as anyone that it even got printed, and more surprised than most that it caught on.

Ted

Controversy?

I don't see why anyone couldn't make a list of their favorite 100, or 400, or 1000 objects.? It's a personal preference list, isn't it?? It's not like the lister discovered each of the objects and is trying to make a name for himself.

George

?Rob Schonk wrote:

There is a lot of controversy as to why a primarily lunar observer would be
chosen to choose a list of deep sky objects....

There are a few more excellent lists out there such as Phil Harrington's
list, SAA 100, etc.

Most of these lists can be imported into Starry Night Pro and displayed.

Rob






From: twforte@...
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To: backbayastro@...
Subject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:10:58 EST

In a message dated 3/4/03 2:40:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
robschonk@... writes:

<< I picked up a few really good observing tips that I was
? going to share at Thursday's meeting.? I was also going to bring the book
in
? for show and tell. >>

Oh that's a good idea.? And as you said, its nearly twice the size of
O'Meara's Messier book ... I'm glad they didn't charge by the pound!

The list, by the way, is not without controversy.? Many prominent amateurs
were (and are) less than receptive, accusing Sir Patrick of just about
everything from plagiarism to presumption ... how dare he claim some of the
best known showpieces in the sky as his own?? But I think, taken in the
context that it was offered; as an observing list of merit, it is a
wonderful
collection of objects.? And O'Meara's additional 20 objects almost make up
for the 30-odd Caldwells that we can't reach from here.

Ted


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George Reynolds, Deputy Commander, Tidewater South Section Royal Rangers

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There is a lot of controversy as to why a primarily lunar observer would be chosen to choose a list of deep sky objects....

There are a few more excellent lists out there such as Phil Harrington's list, SAA 100, etc.

Most of these lists can be imported into Starry Night Pro and displayed.

Rob






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To: backbayastro@...
Subject: Re: [backbayastro] The Caldwell Objects
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:10:58 EST

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