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fantasy gaming vs real challenges (was Re: Expensive Games)


 

This is way out there, but I feel like people can never get enough of
(be satisfied by) something that isn't really satisfying. Diving into
fantasy games is exciting, but hollow in the end because
you have nothing real to show for it. It all is social I agree, but
nothing lasting is accomplished. There's always one more set of
figures, books, dice, or scenarios to buy.

What if gamers took their money, brains, time and friends, and spent it
building a house for Habitat for Humanity? Planting a garden in some
public place? Improving the lives of others
somehow in a lasting and tangible way. Wouldn't that ultimately be more
satisfying than the pursuit of the next pot metal battle piece?

Volunteer work could be a hobby too. It can be satisfying to build
something that will last, and you can look back on the time and say you
really made a difference.

They won't do that because it's not easy? Because we don't do it
ourselves? Because why?

Not trying to attack any specific people, just thinking out loud, and
wondering how so many people can have so much money to spend on
something so opposite of real.

What do they get from the games and pursuit of material goods, that
they can't get from real action?

It's just a puzzle to me.

One more thing: I am not suggesting that we are the owners of our kids,
or that gamers are inferior in any way. I just wish that energy, time,
and money, were used for the power it could
really have. The power of positive lasting change in the real world.

may your life be joyous
Makana

--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Jocelyn Vilter <JVilter@m...> wrote:


Maybe you could order Christmas stuff through the shop where Kirby works!
(Drugs, still, but discount drugs.)
This is no answer; this is just chitchat and commiseration.

I'm the enabling mom of the expensive game junkie. I *did* just spend on
the order of a couple of hundred dollars at his game store, since the pusher
(I mean owner) is having a 25% off sale this weekend.

An example for those who are not familiar with these particular games - it
can easily cost $60.00 for a starter set of these pieces. That's enough to
set up one kind of army but seemingly never the kind my son really wants.
So then we end up having to buy the smaller adjunct boxed sets or blister
cards. Yikes - it is never ending. You get a big fat manual when you buy
the set, but then they change the rules sometimes so you have to buy what
they call "codexes" to keep up with the changes.

Is it a strange coincidence that the owner reminds me of the comic book
store guy from The Simpsons? I thought his sort of cranky personality
might be enough to make Matthew give up the games, but instead, he's
learning how to be around someone like that - a good lesson, I suppose. He
spends enough time there that he *could* work there, but it's a fairly new
store, and he only has one other employee - which could go a long way
towards explaining why he's so cranky.

We've talked about how virtually everyone who plays these games (at this
store, anyway) is an ADULT, with a JOB, but so far that doesn't seem to have
dimmed his enthusiasm. Yesterday I talked about how when you pick an
expensive hobby, like say, restoring a vintage car, you can't always just go
out and buy the parts exactly when you need them - that sometimes you have
to wait until your next paycheck. Granted, he's not paying rent yet or
buying groceries but he has an allowance and it has to stretch the month.
He was worried that when he started getting an allowance, that we wouldn't
buy him anything any more. I assured him that I reserved the right to buy
him stuff whenever I felt like it (which is still pretty often). I just
can't make myself buy him this particular gaming stuff though - it seems
that this is his thing and that he ought to finance it. It sounds a bit on
re-reading this that we nag him about his interest, but we don't. We just
talk about it when it comes up (which is all the time<g>).

I DO know that he is getting a lot out of playing these games and hanging
around the store - I'm mostly just blowing off steam.

Jocelyn


Cindy
 

vegan4planet@... wrote:

This is way out there, but I feel like people can never get enough of
(be satisfied by) something that isn't really satisfying. Diving into
fantasy games is exciting, but hollow in the end because
you have nothing real to show for it. It all is social I agree, but
nothing lasting is accomplished.
(snip)

One more thing: I am not suggesting that we are the owners of our kids,
or that gamers are inferior in any way. I just wish that energy, time,
and money, were used for the power it could
really have. The power of positive lasting change in the real world.
Can't your argument against gaming be applied to reading books, listening
to music, hiking in the woods, watching the sunset, etc.? By your
argument none of these activities have any value because nothing lasting
is accomplished.

I would argue that all of these including gaming can have value. The
value is just not physical.

--

Cindy Ferguson
crma@...


 

Hi Sandra and Cindy,

I'm sorry that I got myself off to a bad start. When I read my post
after it was on the list (and too late to fix anything) I really felt
like a air head. It came out all stupid somehow. I guess I was
thinking conflicting things, but not putting them down right. Sorry
about that. I'm so used to the face to face type of conversation.

I think all the things you guys mentioned are satisfying and have
lasting value because they connect ut to the real world around us.
Gaming can be a connection with friends that is valuable
too.

I was just upset (and that's just my own problem, not anybody else's)
about spending either tons of money, or money that I don't have, on
specialty things that some game designer said I
must have or I cannot play.

That is probably what was really bothering me. A friend of mine really
enjoys working with Habitat for Humanity, but that's only mentioned
because he is normally a computer recluse, but he
found alot of fun in the project.

I will try to be more careful about how and what I post. I really don't
want to stir up things with my half baked thoughts. I want to encourage
and contribute, not attack or criticize. Sorry
about that.

I really liked the ideas of making up your own games too. We do that
some. The best things in life are so very free.

peace be with you
Makana

--- In AlwaysLearning@y..., Cindy <crma@i...> wrote:


vegan4planet@y... wrote:

This is way out there, but I feel like people can never get enough of
(be satisfied by) something that isn't really satisfying. Diving into
fantasy games is exciting, but hollow in the end because
you have nothing real to show for it. It all is social I agree, but
nothing lasting is accomplished.
(snip)

One more thing: I am not suggesting that we are the owners of our kids,
or that gamers are inferior in any way. I just wish that energy, time,
and money, were used for the power it could
really have. The power of positive lasting change in the real world.
Can't your argument against gaming be applied to reading books, listening
to music, hiking in the woods, watching the sunset, etc.? By your
argument none of these activities have any value because nothing lasting
is accomplished.

I would argue that all of these including gaming can have value. The
value is just not physical.

--

Cindy Ferguson
crma@i...


 

I started volunteering at an animal shelter four years ago. A few women
with good intentions got in way over their heads with a no kill shelter.
Before they knew it they had forty five dogs and dozens of cats. I went
there looking for my friend's cat who had vanished.
They had no money except what they could personally contribute.
I felt the only thing I could do was plunge in and help. It cost us a
small fortune. I spent more on that volunteer work than any of us have
ever spent in the pursuit of entertainment.
Not only the money but the commitment of time. My son was with me but
for months on end I never had any time with my husband.
New cats were coming in all the time. People would say, if we didn't
take the cats they'd be killed. So naturally we'd try to make room.
They would have to be quarantined, vaccinated, spayed. Each new cat cost
the shelter (us) a minimum of $100. (that's if they weren't sick ) and
that didn't include food and litter pan, etc.
One of the very committed volunteers left when her husband threatened
divorce over the issue.
Things are better at the shelter after an organized fund raising drive,
sponsors and several grants, but the point is, doing something *real* can
cost plenty. It can tear you up emotionally, threaten a happy home life
and put you in debt. Yes, it can be worth it, but it's not always the
beautiful picture of fulfillment painted by the TV commercials. I have
found a replacement and am taking some time off. Maybe forever. Where's
that chess board...

Deb L, also vegan, HI Makana!!


KT
 



Volunteer work could be a hobby too. It can be satisfying to build something that will last, and you can look back on the time and say you really made a difference.

They won't do that because it's not easy? Because we don't do it ourselves? Because why?
I think that's a pretty big assumption that folks who play games don't *also* do the sort of things you're talking about.

It's not either/or.

Tuck


Tami Labig-Duquette
 

Deb, aren't you in IL? I have some food and other animal things I could give you. I am in IN.
Indiana Tami

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----Original Message Follows----
From: ddzimlew@...
Reply-To: AlwaysLearning@...
To: AlwaysLearning@...
Subject: Re: [AlwaysLearning] fantasy gaming vs real challenges (was Re: Expensive Games)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:19:17 -0700

I started volunteering at an animal shelter four years ago. A few women
with good intentions got in way over their heads with a no kill shelter.
Before they knew it they had forty five dogs and dozens of cats. I went
there looking for my friend's cat who had vanished.
They had no money except what they could personally contribute.
I felt the only thing I could do was plunge in and help. It cost us a
small fortune. I spent more on that volunteer work than any of us have
ever spent in the pursuit of entertainment.
Not only the money but the commitment of time. My son was with me but
for months on end I never had any time with my husband.
New cats were coming in all the time. People would say, if we didn't
take the cats they'd be killed. So naturally we'd try to make room.
They would have to be quarantined, vaccinated, spayed. Each new cat cost
the shelter (us) a minimum of $100. (that's if they weren't sick ) and
that didn't include food and litter pan, etc.
One of the very committed volunteers left when her husband threatened
divorce over the issue.
Things are better at the shelter after an organized fund raising drive,
sponsors and several grants, but the point is, doing something *real* can
cost plenty. It can tear you up emotionally, threaten a happy home life
and put you in debt. Yes, it can be worth it, but it's not always the
beautiful picture of fulfillment painted by the TV commercials. I have
found a replacement and am taking some time off. Maybe forever. Where's
that chess board...

Deb L, also vegan, HI Makana!!

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Elizabeth Hill
 

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vegan4planet@... wrote:

This is way out there, but I feel like people can never get enough of
(be satisfied by) something that isn't really satisfying. Diving into
fantasy games is exciting, but hollow in the end because
you have nothing real to show for it. It all is social I agree, but
nothing lasting is accomplished. There's always one more set of
figures, books, dice, or scenarios to buy.


Yeah.? I'm a little bugged by the idea that the game gets better and you have more power and abilities when you buy more stuff.? I realize that there is more than that to the game, but I'm concerned about the creation and manipulation of desire for power.

Betsy


Elizabeth Hill
 

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vegan4planet@... wrote:

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I think all the things you guys mentioned are satisfying and have
lasting value because they connect ut to the real world around us.
Gaming can be a connection with friends that is valuable
Hi, Makana --

This is a valuable topic for me.? (I need to work on it myself.) I do struggle with sometimes thinking memorizing all the exports of Brazil (say) is more valuable than memorizing the properties of all the Pokemon characters.

Sometimes I don't see the value in learning a lot about something that is fictional? And yet, I spend a lot of time dwelling in fictional realms myself.

Wonder if my thoughts would be different if their was a major Pokemon "exit exam" that all 10 year olds had to take?? Hmmmm.? (Don't everybody shudder at once!)

Betsy


Cindy
 

vegan4planet@... wrote:

Hi Sandra and Cindy,

I'm sorry that I got myself off to a bad start. When I read my post
after it was on the list (and too late to fix anything) I really felt
like a air head. It came out all stupid somehow. I guess I was
thinking conflicting things, but not putting them down right. Sorry
about that. I'm so used to the face to face type of conversation.
I had no problem with your post - just that I thought you might not
have considered some aspects of gaming.

I agree that a lot of money is spent on them - the console game market
alone is *huge*! In a more perfect world people wouldn't be going
hungry or without adequate shelter while others spent spent lots of
money on luxury items.

--

Cindy Ferguson
crma@...


 

Deb, aren't you in IL? I have some food and other animal things I
could give
you. I am in IN.
Indiana Tami
Tami,
I'm sorry but you're thinking of the other Deb, ( Deborah) I'm in MT.
But I thank you for that offer Tami. I really thank you from the bottom
of my heart.
Deb L.