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Least expensive place to buy round stock?
Web Williams
I know it's not going to be cheap- the least expensive place I've
found 1018 steel round stock 7" diameter is $200.00 for a foot. But- I'm new at this, and hoping there is someone on here who can steer me to a surplus place or something where it might be less expensive. No, I'm not going to try and turn 7" rod on my mini-lathe, but I'm figuring the supply chain will be the same for what I'm looking for. I'm just hoping to find some place with some excess "tails" to sell cheap. Any ideas? I've tried all the on-line places and have been watching eBay (no luck). I can use three pieces 12" long for the project I'm working on, it doesn't have to be a contiguous piece. If you have this for sale I would even be willing to drive a reasonable distance to pick it up (I'm in Myrtle Beach, SC). Thanks, -Web |
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Jerry Durand
I was just buying tail ends at Metal Supermarkets. While they had some
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interesting stuff, they didn't have everything I was looking for so only wound up with 13 pounds of steel. If you don't have a metal scrap yard near you, move. :) :) :) If nothing else, people sell ends on eBay. Beware of shipping costs when things are heavy. Also beware of the postal carrier dropping that flat rate box when he tries to pick it up from his truck. :) On 10/24/2011 05:47 PM, Web Williams wrote:
I know it's not going to be cheap- the least expensive place I've --
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 Skype: jerrydurand |
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Web Williams
Thanks Jerry,
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I had never thought about going by the metal scrapyard- thanks for the memory jog! Yes, we have one here. Mostly they just take in aluminum cans and stole...errr.... copper, yeah, copper. That's it. (Our state just passed a law to prevent that from happening...) I had figured on driving wherever to pick it up. I'll probably have to make myself some type of crane attachment and add it to my trailer to save my back from the lifting. I'll shoot Metal Supermarket an e-mail and inquire. Thanks! -Web Jerry Durand wrote: I was just buying tail ends at Metal Supermarkets. While they had some |
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nissan.370z
If you only need small lengths like 12" or so, the guy on ebay I mentioned recently in a post of mine (reply if you didnt see it and I'll give you the info) is great for combining shipping. Just ask him what is the cheapest shipping for x-y-z etc. and he will fit everything he can into Priority Mail Flat rate envelopes or boxes and not charge you a single cent over cost. My last order of 7 pieces 12" long was $4.95 total Priority Mail shipping as will my next order cost (which will have delrin, aluminum and steel stock all in it- He has brass as well). A larger order would be $10.95 for a larger box. He is the best I have found for ebay shipping of stock thus far. Just ask before you buy though so you know what your total is for shipping. I tell him what I want and see if it will fit in the $4.95 package or not. I have yet to compare prices for the stock but his prices was cheap enough for me that with the cheap shipping I didnt bother and just ordered. I wouldnt order just 1-2 items though, since you may need more later, save on shipping and order various sizes of stuff you need or may want to have on hand.
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I tried a local steel yard and they have no Aluminum round stock which is what i needed, but steel is no problem locally. I have many more steel yards I use, but haven't checked them since I got a lathe. --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
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Web Williams
nissan.370z wrote:
If you only need small lengths like 12" or so, the guy on ebay I mentioned recently in a post of mine (reply if you didnt see it and I'll give you the info) is great for combining shipping. Just ask him what is the cheapest shipping for x-y-z etc. and he will fit everything he can into Priority Mail Flat rate envelopes or boxes and not charge you a single cent over cost. My last order of 7 pieces 12" long was $4.95 total Priority Mail shipping as will my next order cost (which will have delrin, aluminum and steel stock all in it- He has brass as well). A larger order would be $10.95 for a larger box. He is the best I have found for ebay shipping of stock thus far. Just ask before you buy though so you know what your total is for shipping. I tell him what I want and see if it will fit in the $4.95 package or not. I have yet to compare prices for the stock but his prices was cheap enough for me that with the cheap shipping I didnt bother and just ordered. I wouldnt order just 1-2 items though, since you may need more later, save on shipping and order various sizes of stuff you need or may want to have on hand.Since one piece of what I'm looking for is around 120 pounds, and three pieces which is what I need would be about 360 pounds, something tells me the post office isn't going to want to deal with me... <WINK>. I do need 12" long pieces, but 7" in diameter, 1018 steel. If you think your friend might have that, however, please send me his contact info and I'll inquire. C360 brass would be better, but none of us (there are three of us each building the same project) are prepared to spend $700.00 or more on the material. That's why we all agreed to use steel. Thanks, -Web |
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nissan.370z
Wow thats some big stuff. I assumed being a 7x12 group you wouldnt be looking for over 2" round if 12" long and shorter if it was larger diameter. But I forgot many of you have other larger lathes too. His biggest 1018 listed is 4" dia. that is 12" long and is under $90 total with shipping, but he may have larger, just ask if he can get it and how much to ship all 3 pieces you all need.
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Just a thought. many of these guys on here have been shopping for this type of stock much longer than I though. I just didnt like the total with shipping costs I was finding online to get some basic stock. Later I will do like I do with sheet and box tubing etc. and stock 8' lengths of stock. --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Web Williams <wy3xinsc@...> wrote:
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mattdbartlett
This does not directly answer your question, but it's related. You may take a look at ASTM A36 rather than 1018. It is basically the same alloy, but it is hot rolled. Tends to have fewer internal stresses, and cheaper to boot.
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As far as location, I think others have suggested MetalSupermarkets. You migh find what you need in the "cutoff" section, but that is a pretty big piece of scrap. They probably have it new, but the price may not be that different from your original number; probably have to call and ask. -Matt --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Web Williams <wy3xinsc@...> wrote:
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Jerome Kimberlin
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 10/24/2011 7:00 PM, Web Williams wrote:> C360 brass would be better, > but none of us (there are three of us each building the same project) > are prepared to spend $700.00 or more on the material. That's why we > all agreed to use steel. Ever think about? making a pattern and having it cast?? I had a friend that collected old brass plumbing fixtures and melted them down for the brass to cast things.? Or you could make a pattern and core and send them up to the Cattail foundry in PA for casting in iron. A scrap yard is your only hope of getting anything cheap.? Metal Supermarkets is way more expensive than Speedy and they are about 267 for a foot of 7" plus shipping.? Shipping will have to go via truck too, not UPS. JerryK |
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MERTON B BAKER
It occurs to me Web, that you are gonna make a few mortars. Been there.
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Lemme know. Mert -----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of Web Williams Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:00 PM To: 7x12minilathe@... Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: Least expensive place to buy round stock? nissan.370z wrote: If you only need small lengths like 12" or so, the guy on ebay I mentionedrecently in a post of mine (reply if you didnt see it and I'll give you the info) is great for combining shipping. Just ask him what is the cheapest shipping for x-y-z etc. and he will fit everything he can into Priority Mail Flat rate envelopes or boxes and not charge you a single cent over cost. My last order of 7 pieces 12" long was $4.95 total Priority Mail shipping as will my next order cost (which will have delrin, aluminum and steel stock all in it- He has brass as well). A larger order would be $10.95 for a larger box. He is the best I have found for ebay shipping of stock thus far. Just ask before you buy though so you know what your total is for shipping. I tell him what I want and see if it will fit in the $4.95 package or not. I have yet to compare prices for the stock but his prices was cheap enough for me that with the cheap shipping I didnt bother and just ordered. I wouldnt order just 1-2 items though, since you may need more later, save on shipping and order various sizes of stuff you need or may want to have on hand. what i needed, but steel is no problem locally. I have many more steel yards I use, but haven't checked them since I got a lathe. Since one piece of what I'm looking for is around 120 pounds, and three pieces which is what I need would be about 360 pounds, something tells me the post office isn't going to want to deal with me... <WINK>. I do need 12" long pieces, but 7" in diameter, 1018 steel. If you think your friend might have that, however, please send me his contact info and I'll inquire. C360 brass would be better, but none of us (there are three of us each building the same project) are prepared to spend $700.00 or more on the material. That's why we all agreed to use steel. Thanks, -Web ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Web Williams
mattdbartlett wrote:
This does not directly answer your question, but it's related. You may take a look at ASTM A36 rather than 1018. It is basically the same alloy, but it is hot rolled. Tends to have fewer internal stresses, and cheaper to boot.Thanks Matt, The project we're building (there are three of us) calls for either C360 brass (and I think we all acknowledge how expensive that would be!) or 1018 steel. Because of the nature of the project, I didn't want to try substituting non-specified metal into the mix. I think I found someone at a bargain price, thanks to Nissan370z (here on the list). Kindest regards, -Web Williams |
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Web Williams
Jerome Kimberlin wrote:
Ever think about making a pattern and having it cast? I had a friend that collected old brass plumbing fixtures and melted them down for the brass to cast things. Or you could make a pattern and core and send them up to the Cattail foundry in PA for casting in iron.I guess if I had the luxury of time I could start collecting brass and eventually save up enough to have one cast, but that would be deviating from the plans we have. Ever heard an old military sergeant tell his troops what to do? He doesn't allow deviation from his orders. This is a militaria re-creation project, and if the plans are deviated from, someone could get injured as a result. I spoke with the designer at length on the phone, and even certain radius cuts are very specific to the design safety. He specifies either C360 brass or 1018 steel. I don't want to mess up the project, so I guess I had better stick with the plans. Nissan370Z put me onto a place where the steel price was more than $100 less than Metal Supermarkets. Thanks, -Web |
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Web Williams
MERTON B BAKER wrote:
It occurs to me Web, that you are gonna make a few mortars. Been there.Yes Mert, you're correct. Link to website: There are three of us building the project, one being a wife who wants one for her husband in time for Christmas. So far, the devil has been the machining and shipping costs. Nissan370Z (a fellow list member) put me onto a place that was very reasonable for the steel price, so we're getting close to starting the project. Now it's just a matter of agreeing on the machining price. kindest regards, -Web |
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MERTON B BAKER
Email me off list for a pic of mine, made from 6" dia turbine shafting. I
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started out to make one, & ended up making 4. Not a project for anyone with a back problem. I still have the boring bar, and a local shop with a 2.5" gun drill. I made mine to shoot beer cans full of concrete. Cast iron is fine for one of these, so long as the bore is small enuf for beer cans, 8" dia. would be closer to scale in a CW RR mortar. Cast iron is too thin for coehorns, as a visit to Ft. Ticonderoga will demonstrate. There are about 15 burst ones lying around. You will want to put 4 sturdy handles on the base plate for a 1'x7" one. -----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of Web Williams Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 10:32 AM To: 7x12minilathe@... Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: Least expensive place to buy round stock? MERTON B BAKER wrote: It occurs to me Web, that you are gonna make a few mortars. Been there.Yes Mert, you're correct. Link to website: There are three of us building the project, one being a wife who wants one for her husband in time for Christmas. So far, the devil has been the machining and shipping costs. Nissan370Z (a fellow list member) put me onto a place that was very reasonable for the steel price, so we're getting close to starting the project. Now it's just a matter of agreeing on the machining price. kindest regards, -Web ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Jim Dunmyer
I have about 36" of 7 1/2" diameter "mystery metal" that seems to machine OK. I've used about 18" of the 4' length.
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You up for a drive to Toledo, OH? <<grin>> <<Jim>> ----- Original Message -----
From: "Web Williams" <wy3xinsc@...> To: <7x12minilathe@...> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:47 PM Subject: [7x12minilathe] Least expensive place to buy round stock? I know it's not going to be cheap- the least expensive place I've |
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If you're anywhere near Dallas, TX, try Garland Steel in Garland, a suburb of Dallas. I have purchased lots of cutoffs from them. They're mainly a recycler but also have LOTS of surplus stock. Various steels, brass, aluminum.
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I don't know if they do mail order. They allow you to browse their racks and will cut for you. If you're within a hundred miles of them and want to replenish your stock, it might be worth a visit. They are open Saturdays. Call first to see if they have what you want. --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Web Williams <wy3xinsc@...> wrote:
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