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? Shall I shop it, so my grandchild ,8 years, can use it in my workshop? Maybe some blue marks on finger the first days, but then maybe she will start a new nice hobby. ?
? Johannes Mexico ? ?
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This is a typical piece of aliexpress junk, and not a lathe at all. I would not give it to a monkey leave alone one of my children.
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I have to say, without VERY careful adult supervision, I'd expect blood-red marks on fingers, at least at the start. Eight seems awfully young to turn a child loose on power tools.
Mike Taglieri?
On Sun, Jan 14, 2024, 11:35 PM Johannes < johannes@...> wrote: ? Shall I shop it, so my grandchild ,8 years, can use it in my workshop? Maybe some blue marks on finger the first days, but then maybe she will start a new nice hobby. ?
? Johannes Mexico ? ?
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Better than giving them an iphone.? ?Maybe develop into an engineer in later life rather than living in their parents basement at 30-40 years old.? ?(I know of a couple of the latter)
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Lone Tree, Colorado? ?USA
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I'm not a parent, so perhaps my opinion isn't relevant.
But knowing myself at that age, I'd? be reluctant to let children operate any machine like that unsupervised.? I still carry a scar on my left hand from using a drill press at about 10 and not clamping down the piece sufficiently.
I think it would be great to teach them how to use it and build things with them, but even a child with good intentions is likely to make a mistake - even if just due to them being clumsy due to growing.? Would hate for something simple to result in losing a finger or an eye.? But if they're reasonably supervised to mitigate injury, I think it would be a great teaching and bonding experience.
Maybe get some of those inexpensive plastic ("carbon fiber") calipers for them to use and teach them a bit of metrology at the same time.? Would also be a good opportunity to give them some immediate practical uses for the math they're being exposed to in school.? Assuming they still teach math in school...
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I was 9 running a lathe.?
Great fun making a canon too.
Dave?
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Dear All,
Just For Information…
Things were different in the late 1950’s. My father taught myself and my older brother to use his lathe about the same age(9). I was so small, I had to stand on a stool to work the controls. Dad was always very close by in his shed (shop as you call it) - Watching me. I remember getting very frustrated by the very small bore through the headstock. Probably about 6mm (1/4”) possibly even smaller.
Some reminisces … For those in the UK who are old enough to remember, I believe it was probably(?) a Gamages lathe. Dad had to gear the acme thread lead screw, as it was right handed. He also made a new cross slide (all angles all filed by hand) as the original was a little rough. The lathe is still with my older brother. No markings on the hand wheels etc. Originally driven by a treadle. I remember him converting it in the 1950’s to an electric motor. WOW.? I’m sure many of you have very similar and more(?) interesting experiences.
I’ve stood over my 8/9 year old grandson, as he machined a piece of plastic at a slow speed. [Delrin(?) or similar.] He was amazed. Yes, he was wearing safety goggles etc. I’m sure many have done similar things.?
Gentlemen, interesting comments on the words ‘Mini Lathe’ and what it can refer to. We never stop learning. Thank you?
David, of Abingdon, UK.
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On 15 Jan 2024, at 19:20, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...> wrote:
?I was 9 running a lathe.?
Great fun making a canon too.
Dave?
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Dear All,
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Just For Information…
?
Things were different in the late 1950’s. My father taught myself and my older brother to use his lathe about the same age(9). I was so small, I had to stand on a stool to work the controls. Dad was always very close by in his shed (shop as you call it) - Watching me.
I remember getting very frustrated by the very small bore through the headstock. Probably about 6mm (1/4”) possibly even smaller
That is a small hole in headstock.?? Dave?
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??? ??? Thank you .
??? animal
On 1/15/24 5:39 AM, Craig Hopewell via
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Better than giving them an iphone.? ?Maybe develop into an
engineer in later life rather than living in their parents
basement at 30-40 years old.? ?(I know of a couple of the latter)
--
Lone Tree, Colorado? ?USA
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??? ?? I grew up in the US , I'm 67 now & I can remember
going to friends houses & going through the garage &
seeing small Craftsman , South Bend & Logan lathes on their
dads bench .Some of them may have had a Burke,? Atlas? or a Duro
horizontal lathe to go with the lathe maybe a drill press &
almost always a bench grinder? . Often enough there would be a
copy of Popular Mechanics , Mechanix Illistrated & such mag
open to a page with the project they were trying to build? with
their coveted machines . As most kids started growing up there
seemed to be many other things to grab their interest then dad's
old crap & when pop died that stuff usually ended up in the
dump unfortunately . Now this is just my thinking , but to me it
seems like you folks over in England kept this hobby going in your
land while it all but disappeared? over here in the US . From what
I have read & can see there has always been a large amount of
home engineers in England making these beautiful steam engines
there are pictures of all over the net ( thank you for that )? I'm
not sure what caused it to start gaining ground again over in the
US , but it probably had something to do with the internet . When
I was a kid I knew that someday I would own one of these machines
& it happened @ 20 years back a uncle gave me his early 1900's
Seneca FALLS STAR lathe . yea it was rode hard & put up very
dry it was still MY lathe . Fortunately for home engineers in the
US there are a ton of PL's available today . PL= personal lathe .
Another plus for the hobby youtube , & Maker Spaces are
popping up all over the place . A guy/gal can join a Maker Space
for @ 30-50 bucks a month & see if this hobby is for them ,
they can get some hands on training / advise & then they can
decide " yea I'm gonna go buy that PL " . Some folks have had
their lathe for years & have used it a lot but haven't made
anything like a special project , but they have spent countless
hours making parts to make their lathe better? . Arguing about
what is & isn't a mini lathe is alot like pissing up a rope ,
what does it get you ?
David , your pop's lathe looks like it's a Myford clone ? I see a
lot? of those Myford's in the English magazine I subscribe to ,
seems folks love them .
end of rant?
animal
On 1/15/24 12:36 PM, DAVID WILLIAMS via
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Dear All,
Just For Information…
Things were different in the late 1950’s. My father taught
myself and my older brother to use his lathe about the same
age(9). I was so small, I had to stand on a stool to work the
controls. Dad was always very close by in his shed (shop as
you call it) - Watching me.
I remember getting very frustrated by the very small bore
through the headstock. Probably about 6mm (1/4”) possibly even
smaller.
Some reminisces …
For those in the UK who are old enough to remember, I
believe it was probably(?) a Gamages lathe. Dad had to gear
the acme thread lead screw, as it was right handed. He also
made a new cross slide (all angles all filed by hand) as the
original was a little rough. The lathe is still with my older
brother. No markings on the hand wheels etc. Originally driven
by a treadle. I remember him converting it in the 1950’s to an
electric motor. WOW.?
I’m sure many of you have very similar and more(?)
interesting experiences.
I’ve stood over my 8/9 year old grandson, as he machined a
piece of plastic at a slow speed. [Delrin(?) or similar.] He
was amazed. Yes, he was wearing safety goggles etc. I’m sure
many have done similar things.?
Gentlemen, interesting comments on the words ‘Mini Lathe’
and what it can refer to. We never stop learning. Thank you?
David, of Abingdon, UK.
?I was 9 running a lathe.?
Great fun making a canon too.
Dave?
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mike allen
5:25pm? ?
? ? ? ?I grew up in the US , I'm 67 now & I can remember going to friends houses & going through the garage & seeing small Craftsman , South Bend & Logan lathes on their dads bench .Some of them may have had a Burke, Atlas or a Duro horizontal lathe to go with the lathe maybe a drill press & almost always a bench grinder
England is great for hobbies.?? Everything I do is mail order in the USA.? Dave?
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Rhetorical question (don’t answer)… What decade was it when you were 9? ? I bet it was back in the days when manual lathes with hand wheels were still used in manufacturing.
I am subscribed to another forum that deals with vacuum tube electronics and we sometimes see posts about how to get kids interested in vacuum tubes. ? ?The answer is “You can’t”. OK, there are some exceptions but mostly you can’t. ? ?The reason the old guys are on that forum is that this was the electronic technology of their youth, Some of them never got around to understanding transistors or digital stuff or computers.
I hate to say it but many people who are using manual machine tools are like the vacuum tube guys, this was the technology when they were young.
Kids don’t have this background, they don’t remember a time when vacuum tubes and gears and electric motors were called “high tech”. ? ?To them the way you make a widget is you design it on a computer screen and then send the design files off to some automation. ?It makes the part and FedEx drops it off at the house.
Nothing is wromng with being a fan of mid-20th-century technology. ?I’m subscribed to forums on machine tools and vacuum tubes and I’ve owned sailboats. ?A couple of people I know even own horses.?
With the vacuum tubes, the way to interest a 15-year-old is with guitar amplifiers. ?That is something they can relate to. ?In other words, the tubes are a means to something else, not an end in itself. ? ? With machine tools, the way to go is to get them into making mechanical stuff and a lathe is just one of the tools they will need. ? So, how would you get a kid interested in hammers? ?You don’t, you introduce him to carpentry.
Robots and other things that move are interesting to some kids. ?It is easy to find kids who a fanatically interested in robots and other kinds of robot-like machines.?
I used to teach at a high school (as a second career after retiring from engineering) so I have some background with kids. ?Most are into other things but a few were pretty darn serious about robot competitions and building and designing these machines and because of this they were motivated to learn the tools. ?Tools were the basic shop tools from the 1950’s like a drill press, metal brake, mill,… ?and so on. ?But also modern tools like 3D CAD, 3D printing, and CNC. ? Get a smart kid motivated to a goal and he or she will learn the tools. ?Yes “she”, ?many more girls then you’d think were there. ?In fact they tend to be the smart ones who can use computers and do math. ? High school is an interesting age span. ? They start with just basic elementary school skills and some of them by the time they are seniors have completed physics and calculus classes and have some elementary computer programming skills. ?
So in short, ypu have to find a way to connect the mid 20th century tools with the interst of earth 21st century kids. ? It can be done. ? But if they don’t see the connection, it will not work.
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On Jan 15, 2024, at 11:20?AM, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...> wrote:
I was 9 running a lathe.?
Great fun making a canon too.
Dave?
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Thank you gentlemen - very interesting stories.
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On 16 Jan 2024, at 01:25, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
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??? ?? I grew up in the US , I'm 67 now & I can remember
going to friends houses & going through the garage &
seeing small Craftsman , South Bend & Logan lathes on their
dads bench .Some of them may have had a Burke,? Atlas? or a Duro
horizontal lathe to go with the lathe maybe a drill press &
almost always a bench grinder? . Often enough there would be a
copy of Popular Mechanics , Mechanix Illistrated & such mag
open to a page with the project they were trying to build? with
their coveted machines . As most kids started growing up there
seemed to be many other things to grab their interest then dad's
old crap & when pop died that stuff usually ended up in the
dump unfortunately . Now this is just my thinking , but to me it
seems like you folks over in England kept this hobby going in your
land while it all but disappeared? over here in the US . From what
I have read & can see there has always been a large amount of
home engineers in England making these beautiful steam engines
there are pictures of all over the net ( thank you for that )? I'm
not sure what caused it to start gaining ground again over in the
US , but it probably had something to do with the internet . When
I was a kid I knew that someday I would own one of these machines
& it happened @ 20 years back a uncle gave me his early 1900's
Seneca FALLS STAR lathe . yea it was rode hard & put up very
dry it was still MY lathe . Fortunately for home engineers in the
US there are a ton of PL's available today . PL= personal lathe .
Another plus for the hobby youtube , & Maker Spaces are
popping up all over the place . A guy/gal can join a Maker Space
for @ 30-50 bucks a month & see if this hobby is for them ,
they can get some hands on training / advise & then they can
decide " yea I'm gonna go buy that PL " . Some folks have had
their lathe for years & have used it a lot but haven't made
anything like a special project , but they have spent countless
hours making parts to make their lathe better? . Arguing about
what is & isn't a mini lathe is alot like pissing up a rope ,
what does it get you ?
David , your pop's lathe looks like it's a Myford clone ? I see a
lot? of those Myford's in the English magazine I subscribe to ,
seems folks love them .
end of rant?
animal
On 1/15/24 12:36 PM, DAVID WILLIAMS via
groups.io wrote:
Dear All,
Just For Information…
Things were different in the late 1950’s. My father taught
myself and my older brother to use his lathe about the same
age(9). I was so small, I had to stand on a stool to work the
controls. Dad was always very close by in his shed (shop as
you call it) - Watching me.
I remember getting very frustrated by the very small bore
through the headstock. Probably about 6mm (1/4”) possibly even
smaller.
Some reminisces …
For those in the UK who are old enough to remember, I
believe it was probably(?) a Gamages lathe. Dad had to gear
the acme thread lead screw, as it was right handed. He also
made a new cross slide (all angles all filed by hand) as the
original was a little rough. The lathe is still with my older
brother. No markings on the hand wheels etc. Originally driven
by a treadle. I remember him converting it in the 1950’s to an
electric motor. WOW.?
I’m sure many of you have very similar and more(?)
interesting experiences.
I’ve stood over my 8/9 year old grandson, as he machined a
piece of plastic at a slow speed. [Delrin(?) or similar.] He
was amazed. Yes, he was wearing safety goggles etc. I’m sure
many have done similar things.?
Gentlemen, interesting comments on the words ‘Mini Lathe’
and what it can refer to. We never stop learning. Thank you?
David, of Abingdon, UK.
?I was 9 running a lathe.?
Great fun making a canon too.
Dave?
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Most hobbies took a big hit in 1980's because of computers and computer games.?
It looks like there is a up swing I hobbies.?
I am on other site in welding and we seeing 40 year old getting hobby of welding. The local Wal-Mart is now has a sewing section. I see a lot more mini lathes for sale than 20 years ago.?
I see a change?
Dave?
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??? ??? 6L6 , 12AX7 , if a kid knows what those are for he's got
a chance . Like ya mentioned? robotic's seem to get kids
interested . The Arduinos & Raspberry pi's seem to be getting
more & more popular with? kids today . I've been trying to
teach my self arduino for a couple of years now & if I was
graded I'd be taking Arduino all over again & again . I think
Nixie tubes are a gateway to electronice for some . They see a
Nixie tube clock that they think is bitchin but their expensive ,
so they watch some youtubes & get a kit & build one , then
they think hmm maybe I'm on to something here . I never had a new
computer till @ 7-8 years back , I always made ours . I also made
several? for several other familys & some folks that could
never afford one back in the late 1990's early 2000's . One of my
sons was always lookin over my shoulder as I built them askin
questions & finally by the time he hit Hi school he had built
several for himself & friends . He decided he wanted to learn
to be a programmer for his career , He had one teacher that didn't
like him & constantly ignored him in class would tell him he
was askin stupid questions & after a semester he said screw it
& walked away from programming . I guess what I'm trying to
say with the last part of my rant here is that without a solid
foundation that a kid can ask & learn from some of them don't
have a chance .?
I still have a tube tester in my garage . I have my dads stereo
that he built when he came back from Korea , been thinkin bout
re-capping it & seeing how it sounds as a acoustic guitar amp
, yea one of these days....
animal
On 1/15/24 10:43 PM, Chris Albertson
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Rhetorical question (don’t answer)… What decade was it when you
were 9? ? I bet it was back in the days when manual lathes with
hand wheels were still used in manufacturing.
I am subscribed to another forum that deals with vacuum tube
electronics and we sometimes see posts about how to get kids
interested in vacuum tubes. ? ?The answer is “You can’t”. OK,
there are some exceptions but mostly you can’t. ? ?The reason
the old guys are on that forum is that this was the electronic
technology of their youth, Some of them never got around to
understanding transistors or digital stuff or computers.
I hate to say it but many people who are using manual machine
tools are like the vacuum tube guys, this was the technology
when they were young.
Kids don’t have this background, they don’t remember a time
when vacuum tubes and gears and electric motors were called
“high tech”. ? ?To them the way you make a widget is you design
it on a computer screen and then send the design files off to
some automation. ?It makes the part and FedEx drops it off at
the house.
Nothing is wromng with being a fan of mid-20th-century
technology. ?I’m subscribed to forums on machine tools and
vacuum tubes and I’ve owned sailboats. ?A couple of people I
know even own horses.?
With the vacuum tubes, the way to interest a 15-year-old is
with guitar amplifiers. ?That is something they can relate to.
?In other words, the tubes are a means to something else, not an
end in itself. ? ? With machine tools, the way to go is to get
them into making mechanical stuff and a lathe is just one of the
tools they will need. ? So, how would you get a kid interested
in hammers? ?You don’t, you introduce him to carpentry.
Robots and other things that move are interesting to some
kids. ?It is easy to find kids who a fanatically interested in
robots and other kinds of robot-like machines.?
I used to teach at a high school (as a second career after
retiring from engineering) so I have some background with kids.
?Most are into other things but a few were pretty darn serious
about robot competitions and building and designing these
machines and because of this they were motivated to learn the
tools. ?Tools were the basic shop tools from the 1950’s like a
drill press, metal brake, mill,… ?and so on. ?But also modern
tools like 3D CAD, 3D printing, and CNC. ? Get a smart kid
motivated to a goal and he or she will learn the tools. ?Yes
“she”, ?many more girls then you’d think were there. ?In fact
they tend to be the smart ones who can use computers and do
math. ? High school is an interesting age span. ? They start
with just basic elementary school skills and some of them by the
time they are seniors have completed physics and calculus
classes and have some elementary computer programming skills. ?
So in short, ypu have to find a way to connect the mid 20th
century tools with the interst of earth 21st century kids. ? It
can be done. ? But if they don’t see the connection, it will not
work.
I was 9 running a lathe.?
Great fun making a canon too.
Dave?
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I think it would be good for the high school systems to reinstate a modern version of "metal shop" and "wood Shop" back into their curriculums. There are very few trade schools left in the country, so college dropouts have nothing to fall back on, and if they are lucky enough to find a job, they have to trained there.? All kids cannot be employed in computer science, and there is a definite need for skilled operators in todays manufacturing world.
Just my humble opinion,
ralphie
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Absolutely !
heirge
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 11:48:18 AM PST, Ralph Lehotsky <ralphlehotsky@...> wrote:
I think it would be good for the high school systems to reinstate a modern version of "metal shop" and "wood Shop" back into their curriculums. There are very few trade schools left in the country, so college dropouts have nothing to fall back on, and if they are lucky enough to find a job, they have to trained there.? All kids cannot be employed in computer science, and there is a definite need for skilled operators in todays manufacturing world.
Just my humble opinion,
ralphie
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I was a HS shop teacher from ?1971-2008, in drafting, woodworking, plastics technology and a little metals.? At my last school we taught plastics, wood, graphics, drafting, electronics, metals, aeronautics and auto.? Our department had 12 full time teachers and all our classes (72 classes each day) were filled. ?
In the late 80’s early 90’s we got a new superintendent who decided every student needed a college education, which meant voc ed needed to go.? At the same time teacher training programs for industrial studies were closed which excelled the demise of shop classes.
I have a good friend, much younger than me, who is very involved in AI and contends it will eliminate a HUGE number of computer science jobs.? However, those with “hands on” skills will be in high?demand.
Hopefully school districts will be willing to rebuild their vocational?skills programs and be able to find qualified instructors teach them.
Side note…one of my sons who lived for metal shop in HS went to Cal Poly SLO and earned a degree in international business.? He hated working in an office so found a job building metal plating labs, then moved on to construction.? Almost ten years later he decided to go back to school and earned a BS and MS in mechanical engineering.? After graduation he once again ended up in a cubical crunching numbers on designs for space stuff.? Once again it was not his cup of tea.? But all has turned out well and he now has a job that he describes as “HS metal shop on steroids”.? He designs and fabricates specializes instruments for companies like Lawrence Livermore Labs.? He uses lathes, mills, grinders, welders, etc and is in 7th heaven.?
I remember one of the principals I worked for saying “those who can do, and those who can’t take shop.” ?He also sent his lots of his personal items down to us for repairs.
Thanks for reading.
Tom
I think it would be good for the high school systems to reinstate a modern version of "metal shop" and "wood Shop" back into their curriculums. There are very few trade schools left in the country, so college dropouts have nothing to fall back on, and if they are lucky enough to find a job, they have to trained there.? All kids cannot be employed in computer science, and there is a definite need for skilled operators in todays manufacturing world.
Just my humble opinion,
ralphie
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? ? ? ? 6L6 , 12AX7 , if a kid knows what those are for he's got a chance . Like ya mentioned robotic's seem to get kids interested . The Arduinos & Raspberry pi's seem to be getting more & more popular with kids today . I've been trying to teach my self arduino for a couple of years now & if I was graded I'd be taking Arduino all over again & again . I think Nixie tubes are a gateway to electronice for some . They see a Nixie tube clock that they think is bitchin but their expensive , so they watch some youtubes & get a kit & build one , then they think hmm maybe I'm on to something here . I never had a new computer till @ 7-8 years back , I always made ours . I also made several for several other familys & some folks that could never afford one back in the late 1990's early 2000's . One of my sons was always lookin over my shoulder as I built them askin questions & finally by the time he hit Hi school he had built several for himself & friends . He decided he wanted to learn to be a programmer for his career , He had one teacher that didn't like him & constantly ignored him in class would tell him he was askin stupid questions & after a semester he said screw it & walked away from programming . I guess what I'm trying to say with the last part of my rant here is that without a solid foundation that a kid can ask & learn from some of them don't have a chance .?
I still have a tube tester.? Last year project was designed and built? Transistor VTVM.? Works great I post on
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Joe Lavery
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davesmith1800
Ralph Lehotsky