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Re: Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

Many things are possible.? Perhaps they automatically send out "shipped" emails as soon as they know the container with?their shipment is at the port. (It's only 20-30 miles away, and in normal times it would be an hour to go get it). Or maybe I got the?"shipped" email just because someone hit a wrong button.? ?This is a busy, chaotic time and I'd prefer not to bother them.

At?any rate,? I've been home for two weeks recovering from bronchitis and I probably wouldn't have installed the thing by now anyway.? And on Saturday I'm going on vacation to New Hampshire, so I can't install it then, either. But if there isn't some progress by the time I leave, I'll probably call them then.

Mike Taglieri?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2022, 12:16 AM gcvisalia@... <gcvisalia@...> wrote:
Just call them.

george

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 03:38:16 PM PST, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:


I usually hang back a bit if dealing with a traditionally good company and give some time for things to sort out, if possible.

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But you are correct that it is best to keep customers informed.? I had about a two year stint managing customer service for technical issues and learned, ¡°People MUST have information.? If you don¡¯t provide them information, they will manufacture information for themselves.? Why?? Because people MUST have information.¡±

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And the information customers self manufacture in a void usually isn¡¯t kindly.

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Chuck K.

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From: Miket_NYC
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 3:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

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I decided to go ahead and buy LMS's belt drive conversion for my mini-mill, so on 12/21, I ordered it and I got an email saying "the order has shipped."?

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Then? I got an email saying the order had been canceled and crediting my credit card. It wasn't canceled by me, so I emailed LMS asking what was going on, but I never heard back.??

?

So on 12/26, I ordered? the belt drive conversion again, and on the 27th I got a second email saying it had shipped.? But it's now January 4rd and there's still no order.

?

This is all strange, since my previous orders to LMS were always very prompt. I usually interpret "the order has shipped" to mean "we put the thing in the mail," but if that had been true the first time, they couldn't cancel it and give me my money back because they wouldn't have had it anymore. But that's what LMS said and did on the first order, so "the order has shipped" must mean something else to them. At any?rate, that hasn't happened a second time (so far), so I'm better off than I was the first?time.?

?

Of course I understand the world has a supply-chain problem now, and I wouldn't be surprised if my belt drive is currently sitting on the two-hundredth container ship in line at Long Beach harbor.? But it's better to tell the customer what's actually going on.

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Mike Taglieri?

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Re: Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

Just call them.

george

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 03:38:16 PM PST, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:


I usually hang back a bit if dealing with a traditionally good company and give some time for things to sort out, if possible.

?

But you are correct that it is best to keep customers informed.? I had about a two year stint managing customer service for technical issues and learned, ¡°People MUST have information.? If you don¡¯t provide them information, they will manufacture information for themselves.? Why?? Because people MUST have information.¡±

?

And the information customers self manufacture in a void usually isn¡¯t kindly.

?

Chuck K.

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Sent from for Windows

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From: Miket_NYC
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 3:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

?

I decided to go ahead and buy LMS's belt drive conversion for my mini-mill, so on 12/21, I ordered it and I got an email saying "the order has shipped."?

?

Then? I got an email saying the order had been canceled and crediting my credit card. It wasn't canceled by me, so I emailed LMS asking what was going on, but I never heard back.??

?

So on 12/26, I ordered? the belt drive conversion again, and on the 27th I got a second email saying it had shipped.? But it's now January 4rd and there's still no order.

?

This is all strange, since my previous orders to LMS were always very prompt. I usually interpret "the order has shipped" to mean "we put the thing in the mail," but if that had been true the first time, they couldn't cancel it and give me my money back because they wouldn't have had it anymore. But that's what LMS said and did on the first order, so "the order has shipped" must mean something else to them. At any?rate, that hasn't happened a second time (so far), so I'm better off than I was the first?time.?

?

Of course I understand the world has a supply-chain problem now, and I wouldn't be surprised if my belt drive is currently sitting on the two-hundredth container ship in line at Long Beach harbor.? But it's better to tell the customer what's actually going on.

?

Mike Taglieri?

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Re: Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

Depends on their definition of "shipped."? Maybe when the order leaves the Order Dept. (or whatever they call it) and heads towards Shipping it is considered shipped.

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022, 06:28:34 PM PST, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:


Ah.? I missed that important detail.? Sorry.

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Chuck K.

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From: Ralph Hulslander
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 6:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

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They said they had SHIPPED the item, in order to ship they have to have already received the item.

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Ralph

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Re: Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

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Ah.? I missed that important detail.? Sorry.

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Chuck K.

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From: Ralph Hulslander
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 6:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

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They said they had SHIPPED the item, in order to ship they have to have already received the item.

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Ralph

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Re: New fix to dead motor Controller (old HF 33684, bought about 1999)

 

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Actually, for a lot of things where you might want to remove the existing solder (such as leads going through holes) professional rework often involves a vacuum desoldering station.? This is nothing but a soldering iron and solder sucker combined and put on steroids.? A metal tip with a hole in it gets hot to melt the solder, and vacuum sucks away the solder through that hole.? They are spectacularly effective.? You can even buy rework stations that both hot air desoldering AND vacuum desoldering in one unit (one station, two separate devices).? And there are other ways, although not likely for the home shop, such as the ¡°solder fountain¡± and what you might imagine is actually pretty much what it is.

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Chuck K.

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From: Ralph Hulslander
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 6:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] New fix to dead motor Controller (old HF 33684, bought about 1999)

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Finally?I understood what Jacques was saying. Right on!

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Ralph

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Re: Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

They said they had SHIPPED the item, in order to ship they have to have already received the item.

Ralph

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 9:18 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

But they receive their stuff (or I assume most of it) via container ship.

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Chuck K.

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From: Ralph Hulslander
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 6:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

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LMS would not put a domestic shipment on a container ship, they would send it with a common carrier on USPS.

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I have seen lots of delays with common carriers and USPS, delays or never seens.

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Ralph

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Re: Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

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But they receive their stuff (or I assume most of it) via container ship.

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Chuck K.

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Sent from for Windows

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From: Ralph Hulslander
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 6:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

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LMS would not put a domestic shipment on a container ship, they would send it with a common carrier on USPS.

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I have seen lots of delays with common carriers and USPS, delays or never seens.

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Ralph

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Re: Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

LMS would not put a domestic shipment on a container ship, they would send it with a common carrier on USPS.

I have seen lots of delays with common carriers and USPS, delays or never seens.

Ralph

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 6:38 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

I usually hang back a bit if dealing with a traditionally good company and give some time for things to sort out, if possible.

?

But you are correct that it is best to keep customers informed.? I had about a two year stint managing customer service for technical issues and learned, ¡°People MUST have information.? If you don¡¯t provide them information, they will manufacture information for themselves.? Why?? Because people MUST have information.¡±

?

And the information customers self manufacture in a void usually isn¡¯t kindly.

?

Chuck K.

?

Sent from for Windows

?

From: Miket_NYC
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 3:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

?

I decided to go ahead and buy LMS's belt drive conversion for my mini-mill, so on 12/21, I ordered it and I got an email saying "the order has shipped."?

?

Then? I got an email saying the order had been canceled and crediting my credit card. It wasn't canceled by me, so I emailed LMS asking what was going on, but I never heard back.??

?

So on 12/26, I ordered? the belt drive conversion again, and on the 27th I got a second email saying it had shipped.? But it's now January 4rd and there's still no order.

?

This is all strange, since my previous orders to LMS were always very prompt. I usually interpret "the order has shipped" to mean "we put the thing in the mail," but if that had been true the first time, they couldn't cancel it and give me my money back because they wouldn't have had it anymore. But that's what LMS said and did on the first order, so "the order has shipped" must mean something else to them. At any?rate, that hasn't happened a second time (so far), so I'm better off than I was the first?time.?

?

Of course I understand the world has a supply-chain problem now, and I wouldn't be surprised if my belt drive is currently sitting on the two-hundredth container ship in line at Long Beach harbor.? But it's better to tell the customer what's actually going on.

?

Mike Taglieri?

?

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Re: Forming 1/8¡±x1/4¡± Flat Stock

 

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Dick, as a thought, there are carbon fiber tubes In a variety of sizes from suppliers to kite hobbyists. They are remarkably light and stiff. This could reduce the problem to the design of fittings to join this tubing. Who knows, they might be molded from J B Weld!?? Bill in Boulder

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From: mario mohl
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 15:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] Forming 1/8¡±x1/4¡± Flat Stock

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Hi Dick, for a project like this the easier material would be roving which is wetted out in resin and allowed to harden in a mold ( almost anything that can hold it in shape) while it cures. For simple parts, pretty simple molds can be used, particularly if mold reusability is not a concern. A piece of fiberboard with a 1/8 x 1/4 kerf cut into the edge would work. Add some paste wax to make?release easier.

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Fabric and prepregs are also available but would be less suited for something like this.

For all practical purposes, carbon fiber and glass fiber are worked in pretty similar ways.

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On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 3:40 PM OldToolmaker via <old_toolmaker=[email protected]> wrote:

Mario,
I am totally ignorant about carbon fiber and?I have never used carbon fiber. Is it purchased in sheet form and machined to shape? Or is it a cast product?
Thanks?

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Re: New fix to dead motor Controller (old HF 33684, bought about 1999)

 

Finally?I understood what Jacques was saying. Right on!

Ralph

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 3:07 PM Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:

True, hot air rework is the ideal method.? But I don¡¯t figure that most home non-electronics types are going to buy one, nor are they likely to be trying to work with surface mount chips.? But many have a soldering iron, and a cheap solder sucker will work for things with leads through holes and is affordable.

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But if someone is going to be working with surface mount, or doing a whole lot of rework, then a hot air station is pretty much a necessity nowadays.? But it is not a necessity for the occasional odd job of a regular pinned IC or similar.

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Chuck K.

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From: Chris Albertson
Sent: Monday, January 3, 2022 11:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] New fix to dead motor Controller (old HF 33684, bought about 1999)

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Hot air solder stations have pretty much revolutionized repair work.? ?It is rare today for a repair tech to reach for the solder iron.? ?Partly this is because most new parts are surface mounted and hot air is the only option but people have found the hot air is just better for many parts on PCBs.? ?I can take a 14-pin dip off a PCB in about a half minute with no damage to the chip.

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I suggested clipping all the pins only because that method works with a solder iron.? But it does destroy the chip.

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Even a cheap Chinese clone hot air station works very well.? ?The Amazon link below has a link to a video where a?technician removes a 20+ pin chip in about 10 seconds.? It takes longer to remove an old through-hole chip because more heating is needed but only about 3X more time.? ?The video is self-explanatory and shows why these tools 1st choice now.

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Re: Forming 1/8¡±x1/4¡± Flat Stock

 

Mario,
I understand how it works now. The carbon fiber is used similar to fiber glass cloth.
I am a mold maker and designer by trade so should have no trouble with this if I decide to pursue this further.
Thanks for the explanation!


Re: Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

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I usually hang back a bit if dealing with a traditionally good company and give some time for things to sort out, if possible.

?

But you are correct that it is best to keep customers informed.? I had about a two year stint managing customer service for technical issues and learned, ¡°People MUST have information.? If you don¡¯t provide them information, they will manufacture information for themselves.? Why?? Because people MUST have information.¡±

?

And the information customers self manufacture in a void usually isn¡¯t kindly.

?

Chuck K.

?

Sent from for Windows

?

From: Miket_NYC
Sent: Tuesday, January 4, 2022 3:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [7x12MiniLathe] Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

?

I decided to go ahead and buy LMS's belt drive conversion for my mini-mill, so on 12/21, I ordered it and I got an email saying "the order has shipped."?

?

Then? I got an email saying the order had been canceled and crediting my credit card. It wasn't canceled by me, so I emailed LMS asking what was going on, but I never heard back.??

?

So on 12/26, I ordered? the belt drive conversion again, and on the 27th I got a second email saying it had shipped.? But it's now January 4rd and there's still no order.

?

This is all strange, since my previous orders to LMS were always very prompt. I usually interpret "the order has shipped" to mean "we put the thing in the mail," but if that had been true the first time, they couldn't cancel it and give me my money back because they wouldn't have had it anymore. But that's what LMS said and did on the first order, so "the order has shipped" must mean something else to them. At any?rate, that hasn't happened a second time (so far), so I'm better off than I was the first?time.?

?

Of course I understand the world has a supply-chain problem now, and I wouldn't be surprised if my belt drive is currently sitting on the two-hundredth container ship in line at Long Beach harbor.? But it's better to tell the customer what's actually going on.

?

Mike Taglieri?

?

?


Is Something Strange Going On at Little Machine Shop?

 

I decided to go ahead and buy LMS's belt drive conversion for my mini-mill, so on 12/21, I ordered it and I got an email saying "the order has shipped."?

Then? I got an email saying the order had been canceled and crediting my credit card. It wasn't canceled by me, so I emailed LMS asking what was going on, but I never heard back.??

So on 12/26, I ordered? the belt drive conversion again, and on the 27th I got a second email saying it had shipped.? But it's now January 4rd and there's still no order.

This is all strange, since my previous orders to LMS were always very prompt. I usually interpret "the order has shipped" to mean "we put the thing in the mail," but if that had been true the first time, they couldn't cancel it and give me my money back because they wouldn't have had it anymore. But that's what LMS said and did on the first order, so "the order has shipped" must mean something else to them. At any?rate, that hasn't happened a second time (so far), so I'm better off than I was the first?time.?

Of course I understand the world has a supply-chain problem now, and I wouldn't be surprised if my belt drive is currently sitting on the two-hundredth container ship in line at Long Beach harbor.? But it's better to tell the customer what's actually going on.

Mike Taglieri?





Re: Forming 1/8¡±x1/4¡± Flat Stock

 

Hi Dick, for a project like this the easier material would be roving which is wetted out in resin and allowed to harden in a mold ( almost anything that can hold it in shape) while it cures. For simple parts, pretty simple molds can be used, particularly if mold reusability is not a concern. A piece of fiberboard with a 1/8 x 1/4 kerf cut into the edge would work. Add some paste wax to make?release easier.

Fabric and prepregs are also available but would be less suited for something like this.
For all practical purposes, carbon fiber and glass fiber are worked in pretty similar ways.


On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 3:40 PM OldToolmaker via <old_toolmaker=[email protected]> wrote:
Mario,
I am totally ignorant about carbon fiber and?I have never used carbon fiber. Is it purchased in sheet form and machined to shape? Or is it a cast product?
Thanks?


Re: Forming 1/8¡±x1/4¡± Flat Stock

 

Mario,
I am totally ignorant about carbon fiber and?I have never used carbon fiber. Is it purchased in sheet form and machined to shape? Or is it a cast product?
Thanks?


Re: Steering wheel adapter

 

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Short answer is ¡°yes!¡± ¡­now for the ¡°ugly¡± part of the answer¡­

When you ?are printing an ¡°object¡± on a 3d printer it typical uses an input file that is in STL(or other 3D format) file which can be scaled while retaining full resolution¡­The potential problem is that most object were designed with several other objects¡­ For example a cylinder, a sphere, cube, torrid, etc. and are combined together and then ¡°baked¡± (a term used to take the finished set of objects fused together to form a single object which is much more efficient for printing (or milling).?

The problems you can run into when scaling a baked object is that you scale everything¡­ If you have, let¡¯s say a washer shape. If you expand it, not only the outside gets larger but the hole and the thickness does as well¡­ If you had the two cylinders that were used to make the washer, then you could could increase just the outside shape while the inside cylinder that is used to ¡°cut out¡± the hole remains in place¡­ When combining there are options that allow adding objects together as well as subtracting them¡­two cylinders with the same heights but with different diameters can share the same center location but the second (smaller diameter) has it combining property set to ¡°remove¡¯¡­this is what makes the hole.

I have a CNC router which is a subtractive process (removes material) while a 3D printer is an additive process¡­It looks like what you are trying to have made is nothing more than something that could be turned on a lathe (metal)..

Reuben

On Jan 4, 2022, at 2:33 PM, rodedser <rod.edser@...> wrote:

Following this thread I have noticed that no-one has suggested printing oversize and turning down to fit. Can that be done?
Can you rework printed components?


Re: Steering wheel adapter

 

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Only marginally. 3D prints are typically a few layers of ¡¯solid¡¯ over an interior of varying degrees of non-solid infill. This greatly reduces printing time and filament usage for not much decrease in strength. Particularly with modern slicing algorithms the printers can intelligently reinforce critical parts of the object.

It¡¯s similar to trying to turn down, say, PVC pipe, which if you look closely is a skin of solid PVC over a foam-like interior. You can get solid PVC pipe but it¡¯s noticeably more expensive.

On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:33 PM, rodedser <rod.edser@...> wrote:

Following this thread I have noticed that no-one has suggested printing oversize and turning down to fit. Can that be done?
Can you rework printed components?

--?
Bruce Johnson

"Wherever you go, there you are." B. Banzai, PhD


Re: Steering wheel adapter

 

Following this thread I have noticed that no-one has suggested printing oversize and turning down to fit. Can that be done?
Can you rework printed components?


Re: head stock bearings

 

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022, Jonathan Mackenzie via groups.io wrote:

For the G0602 they are tapered roller 32009




On Monday, January 3, 2022, 07:25:07 PM PST, fxkl47BF via groups.io <fxkl47bf@...> wrote:


On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, Roy via groups.io wrote:

Taper roller bearings have the highest thrust ratings, but, will require external seals/shields to keep debris out. An easier upgrade is angular contact ball bearings
that are a direct replacement for the deep groove ball bearings that are originally installed. They've got higher thrust handling capacity & are available with
integral
seals/shields.
Would you happen to have part numbers for the angular contact ball bearings for the G0602?
Thanks for all the info.
I'll pull the shaft and check the condition of the bearings.
If they are taper roller bearings and in good shape I may be able to just tighten them a bit.


Re: head stock bearings

 

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022, bechenron@... wrote:

The parts manual shows that this machine comes standard with tapered roller bearings. _._,_._,_
I got this thing used and never had a manual.
I'll see about getting one.