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Re: seperating workpiece cyno

 

Use acetone. It will always break the super glue down.

Mark Stangl


If you ever need to make a spindle workstop...

 

... bicycle handle bar nuts fit the 7x bore.

I just tapped one to fit some 1/8" threaded tube used for lamps (straight 1/8" x 27 pipe), bored the other out with some slop to allow it to move up the wedge.
Welded a 1/4 x20 coupler to one end and used a pipe nut (modded to straight 1/8" x27 thread) as a jam nut. The plastic 1/4x20 wingnut sets the depth stop. The aluminum spacer gets it thru the change gear door (I have a hinged door on mine with a captive thumb screw so it's a bit longer..)

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Re: Axis designations

 

Well I wasn't entirely disagreeing with you.
The emphatic No no no no, certainly stirred up some emotion.? (Big Smile)
But after following this thread of posts I can see now there seems to be a "standard"?
It also seems to follow the mathematical norm.
Now would someone mind telling/informing a few of the would be Autocad users?
However I thought the right hand rule was for electronics only? Lenz's Law?
Or did he borrow the term from the Mathematical community?
Thanks for the correction!
?
John Kiely (IRL)

From: cnc sales
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: Axis designations



No, no, no, no !

There are LOTS of excellent reasons never to swap the designations.
For cnc use especially.

There is tool tip compensation, tool wear compensation, css (very very important), feed per rev, and so on, all of which are always based on using std nomenclature for the axis.

There is a very easy way to remember the axis designations.
The lathe is a horizontal mill.
You stand at the TS and look towards the HS.

x is right, y is up, and z is towards you.
(Also known ass Right Hand Rule [follow the thumb]).
If you use other non std axis names, and ever get to use someone eless, anyone elses setup, this can easily come back to bite you.

Might I suggest Gentlemen, that your choice of X,Y,Z axes very much depends on the tools you use and your own personal perspective.
If you use a CAD package it might make more sense to follow?the XY&Z perspective it offers.
If you are a mathematician X would be Horizontal from left to right?Y your Vertical (Up Down) and Z your other horizontal of backwards and forwards.
I think it all comes down to your own personal preference and possibly the tool you use?
Ask any mathematician why they use XY&Z and they will tell you that they are just arbitrary values!
?
John Kiely (IRL)






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Re: rotary broach

 

my apologies I spell your name wrong Merton

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:03 AM, Neri Carmi <nericarmi@...> wrote:
"When I read that "wondering if there is a way of making one" I thought
someone must have made the first one, eh? "
OK if you are in the mood of splitting hair over English language
phrases then let me clarify by rephrasing the sentence -- is there is
a way and means for the hobby individual person to make a rotary
broach holder (as oppose to the sophisticated industrial production
line equipment that most hobby users lack access to). Now Morton you
see how this could be cumbersome to explain when we try to spit hairs
rather than using common sense (seems not that common ...for some). in
any event I guess it will be allot easier for me if English was my
first language...would you like to try it in a different language
maybe that will clarify the issue.


Re: rotary broach

 

"When I read that "wondering if there is a way of making one" I thought
someone must have made the first one, eh? "
OK if you are in the mood of splitting hair over English language
phrases then let me clarify by rephrasing the sentence -- is there is
a way and means for the hobby individual person to make a rotary
broach holder (as oppose to the sophisticated industrial production
line equipment that most hobby users lack access to). Now Morton you
see how this could be cumbersome to explain when we try to spit hairs
rather than using common sense (seems not that common ...for some). in
any event I guess it will be allot easier for me if English was my
first language...would you like to try it in a different language
maybe that will clarify the issue.


Re: Enco promo code anyone?

 

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On Thu, 7 Feb 2013, Exibar wrote:

anyone have an enco promo code? I need some more Rapid Tap oil, and they
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or any other promo codes out there?



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Mike B


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Re: seperating workpiece cyno

 

Hardware stores sell acetone in quart cans quite cheaply.? One can should last a lifetime of CA removal and removal of your wife's nail polish.

Colin.


From: SirJohnOfYork To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 0:53
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] seperating workpiece cyno

?
?Borrow somebody's Nail Polish Remover. Make sure it is acetone based. Given a little soak time it'll turn the glue into goo, and separation & clean up gets easy after that. My first experience with Super Glue () for work holding, was making two headed (and two tailed) coins. Held a lot better than I expected. If I were to offer advice to anyone it would be to simply follow the directions - using too much glue is as bad or worse than not using enough. A small drop goes a long way...!

?My wife hit the local Dollar Store and picked up a couple bottles of acetone based Nail Polish Remover for, you guessed it, $1 each. Will probably last for quite awhile yet, since I can use the bottle cap to soak the coins in, so it doesn't take very much. (I glued coins to the end of a short length of a freshly faced steel bar, then used a dial indicator to center the coin in my 4-jaw chuck). Afterwards I just stood the bar vertically on the coin end which was sitting in a cap full of nail polish remover, and let it soak for awhile...

?John Z.

On 2/6/2013 10:23 PM, zl1atb wrote:
?
I saw a few weeks back guys using cyno superglue to attach small pieces to dress them up,someone was turning both sides of a narrow washer, I cant remember how to seperate the turned piece.
I glued some 2 inch ali bar it held good , now ?its still held good .
I tried hitting it with a plastic mallet , wondering If I should soak it, hoping the cyno will break down.
Don




Re: rotary broach

MERTON B BAKER
 

When I read that "wondering if there is a way of making one" I thought
someone must have made the first one, eh? And if that's so, everything had
to be done at least once , for the first time.
Now, I've been using a ball tip Allen wrench in a battery powered
screwdriver for power cross & topslide feeds on my 7x lathes for about 10
years, and find that HSM has an article on doing this for a quick traverse
on the Bridgeport in the new issue..

Mert

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of GadgetBuilder
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 3:09 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: rotary broach


Mike Cox shows how to make your own holder and broach:

< >



--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "nericarmi" wrote:

I was wondering if there is a way of making one...I just cant bring myself
to pay $600 or better just for the holder



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Re: 100mm spindle source in US?

 

The prize-winning Stepperhead is my favourite:
Its plans and construction are currently serialised in?Model Engineers' Workshop. I just wish I had the skills and time!

Andy


--- In 7x12minilathe@..., cnc sales wrote:
>
> This is one of the nicest scratch built lathes I know of.
> And one of less than 10 finished - scratch built cnc latehs are very rare.
>
> Equally rare are scratch built cnc mills..
> I know of about 5 in total.
> (Mills as in of and for steel, with milling spindle. Not routers for alu).
>
> > Im going with AC ball bearings.
> > This is on a custom made CNC mini lathe. My buddy steve built it a few
> > years ago, and I ended up with it. Just stepping it up a little.
> >
> > http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/24690-My-cnc-bench-lathe-build
> >
> > --- In 7x12minilathe@...
> > , "andyf1108" wrote:
> > >
> > > Glad to be able to help. Mike of this Group put one on his Clarke
> > (rebadged Sieg) 7x lathe, and fitted taper roller bearings to the
> > spindle at the same time - something you might like to consider. See
> > > < http://mikesworkshop.weebly.com/headstock-upgrade.html >
> > >
> > > Andy
> >
> >
>


Re: Axis designations

 

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cnc sales wrote.......There is a very easy way to remember the axis designations. The lathe is a horizontal mill. You stand at the TS and look towards the HS.
x is right, y is up, and z is towards you........
?
Correct and the reasons for keeping it standard. As I mentioned earlier, it is easier to think of the axis in relation to the workholder, as he outlined above. Then it doesn't matter what machine you are using, we all talk the same language.
Cheers.
???????? Ellis


Re: 100mm spindle source in US?

 

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This is one of the nicest scratch built lathes I know of.
And one of less than 10 finished - scratch built cnc latehs are very rare.

Equally rare are scratch built cnc mills..
I know of about 5 in total.
(Mills as in of and for steel, with milling spindle. Not routers for alu).

?

Im going with AC ball bearings.
This is on a custom made CNC mini lathe. My buddy steve built it a few years ago, and I ended up with it. Just stepping it up a little.



--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "andyf1108" wrote:
>
> Glad to be able to help. Mike of this Group put one on his Clarke (rebadged Sieg) 7x lathe, and fitted taper roller bearings to the spindle at the same time - something you might like to consider. See
> < >
>
> Andy


Re: Axis designations

 

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No, no, no, no !

There are LOTS of excellent reasons never to swap the designations.
For cnc use especially.

There is tool tip compensation, tool wear compensation, css (very very important), feed per rev, and so on, all of which are always based on using std nomenclature for the axis.

There is a very easy way to remember the axis designations.
The lathe is a horizontal mill.
You stand at the TS and look towards the HS.

x is right, y is up, and z is towards you.
(Also known ass Right Hand Rule [follow the thumb]).
If you use other non std axis names, and ever get to use someone eless, anyone elses setup, this can easily come back to bite you.

Might I suggest Gentlemen, that your choice of X,Y,Z axes very much depends on the tools you use and your own personal perspective.
If you use a CAD package it might make more sense to follow?the XY&Z perspective it offers.
If you are a mathematician X would be Horizontal from left to right?Y your Vertical (Up Down) and Z your other horizontal of backwards and forwards.
I think it all comes down to your own personal preference and possibly the tool you use?
Ask any mathematician why they use XY&Z and they will tell you that they are just arbitrary values!
?
John Kiely (IRL)


Re: seperating workpiece cyno

Don Leitch
 

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Thanks ?everyone I got it off , I tried heat and acetone? (nail polish remover)

Man that stuff gives me a headache, where as laquer paint thinners doesn't.

Nearly as nasty as two pack paint .

I did use too much cyno on faced surfaces , nowhere for the acetone to sink in.

Don

?

From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Tony Smith
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 5:54 p.m.
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] seperating workpiece cyno

?

?

> I saw a few weeks back guys using cyno superglue to attach small pieces to
dress
> them up,someone was turning both sides of a narrow washer, I cant remember
> how to seperate the turned piece.
> I glued some 2 inch ali bar it held good , now ?its still held good .
> I tried hitting it with a plastic mallet , wondering If I should soak it,
hoping the
> cyno will break down.
> Don

Like other said heat works well.

Most adhesives soften or break down about 70 degrees Celcius (~160F). This
is very handy to know if you want to get a decal or similar off without
damaging it. I usually put them in the oven at around 100c (212F - boiling
water temperature) and they'll peel off easily enough.

Works well on things like the little surrounds you find on ignition locks.
Plastics are ok at that temperature (acrylic melts at 140C), I once removed
a thin aluminium bezel off a plastic watch, powder coated it and put it
back.

Tony


Enco promo code anyone?

 

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anyone have an enco promo code??? I need some more Rapid Tap oil, and they have a great price, but was hoping for free shipping ;-)

?

or any other promo codes out there?

?

thanks!

Mike B


Re: seperating workpiece cyno

 

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?Borrow somebody's Nail Polish Remover. Make sure it is acetone based. Given a little soak time it'll turn the glue into goo, and separation & clean up gets easy after that. My first experience with Super Glue () for work holding, was making two headed (and two tailed) coins. Held a lot better than I expected. If I were to offer advice to anyone it would be to simply follow the directions - using too much glue is as bad or worse than not using enough. A small drop goes a long way...!

?My wife hit the local Dollar Store and picked up a couple bottles of acetone based Nail Polish Remover for, you guessed it, $1 each. Will probably last for quite awhile yet, since I can use the bottle cap to soak the coins in, so it doesn't take very much. (I glued coins to the end of a short length of a freshly faced steel bar, then used a dial indicator to center the coin in my 4-jaw chuck). Afterwards I just stood the bar vertically on the coin end which was sitting in a cap full of nail polish remover, and let it soak for awhile...

?John Z.

On 2/6/2013 10:23 PM, zl1atb wrote:

?

I saw a few weeks back guys using cyno superglue to attach small pieces to dress them up,someone was turning both sides of a narrow washer, I cant remember how to seperate the turned piece.
I glued some 2 inch ali bar it held good , now ?its still held good .
I tried hitting it with a plastic mallet , wondering If I should soak it, hoping the cyno will break down.
Don



Re: Real Bull 7x14 lathe questions?

 

Not sure of the price range you guys are looking at,but at 1150.00 my 10x22
from grizzly is several times the lathe that the 7x12 it replaced. I lost the 7x12 to
thieves last winter, and got the 10x22 as I kept seeing the 7x14 for around
$800+ with a bit less than what the 10x22 came with. The wife wasn't so happy
with the extra cost, but now that i'm getting used to the bigger I'm glad I got it. It
comes with 5" 3 jaw, 6" four jaw chuck, face plate, steady rest, follow rest, mt4
center, mt3 center, plus a little tool box to hold the tools in till you get a bench
made. I still miss the 7x12 tho, it was my first lathe and I had lots of fun learning
with it.
Dennis

It is indeed several times the lathe:

(that's a 7x10, but close enough).

Tony


Re: seperating workpiece cyno

Don Leitch
 

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That's what I thought I was going to be able to do .

But its ali and I didn't want to ding it, I tried with a plastic mallet , nothing happened.

I made a cpl punch and base tools for separating bearings from nylon crown and pinion gears on r/c helicopters, now members of the club have seen them, and everyone wants one, so trying to use all the off cuts. When I had a wood lathe, ?I had jaws to hold everything,? this little 3” chuck is rather limited in that respect.

Don

?

From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013 5:42 p.m.
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] seperating workpiece cyno

?

?

Back when we used superglue to attach accelerometers we detached them by
striking the side. Superglue doesn't hold well in shear.

On 02/06/2013 07:23 PM, zl1atb wrote:
> I saw a few weeks back guys using cyno superglue to attach small pieces to dress them up,someone was turning both sides of a narrow washer, I cant remember how to seperate the turned piece.
> I glued some 2 inch ali bar it held good , now ?its still held good .
> I tried hitting it with a plastic mallet , wondering If I should soak it, hoping the cyno will break down.
> Don
>

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand


Re: Real Bull 7x14 lathe questions?

 

Not sure of the price range you guys are looking at,but at 1150.00 my 10x22 from grizzly is several times the lathe that the 7x12 it replaced. I lost the 7x12 to thieves last winter, and got the 10x22 as I kept seeing the 7x14 for around $800+ with a bit less than what the 10x22 came with. The wife wasn't so happy with the extra cost, but now that i'm getting used to the bigger I'm glad I got it. It comes with 5" 3 jaw, 6" four jaw chuck, face plate, steady rest, follow rest, mt4 center, mt3 center, plus a little tool box to hold the tools in till you get a bench made. I still miss the 7x12 tho, it was my first lathe and I had lots of fun learning with it.
Dennis


Re: seperating workpiece cyno

 

I saw a few weeks back guys using cyno superglue to attach small pieces to
dress
them up,someone was turning both sides of a narrow washer, I cant remember
how to seperate the turned piece.
I glued some 2 inch ali bar it held good , now ?its still held good .
I tried hitting it with a plastic mallet , wondering If I should soak it,
hoping the
cyno will break down.
Don

Like other said heat works well.

Most adhesives soften or break down about 70 degrees Celcius (~160F). This
is very handy to know if you want to get a decal or similar off without
damaging it. I usually put them in the oven at around 100c (212F - boiling
water temperature) and they'll peel off easily enough.

Works well on things like the little surrounds you find on ignition locks.
Plastics are ok at that temperature (acrylic melts at 140C), I once removed
a thin aluminium bezel off a plastic watch, powder coated it and put it
back.

Tony