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Re: wood

 

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I recently finished some raw walnut with MinWax "Tung Oil Finish".? I got superb results.
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This isn't really tung oil, but rather?it contains solvents, some sort of oil (perhaps some tung oil), and apparantly some varnish.
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You brush or wipe it on, let it sit a few minutes, then wipe it off.? Each application like this seals it more and increases the sheen.
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Just don't let it sit too long or it dries on the surface and then gets a little gummy or solid and is hard to rub off.
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The problem with paste wax is that after a year or a few it gets dull and needs to be re-applied.
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Chuck K.
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Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] wood

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thanks, I'll tell her

On 10/23/2011 08:21 PM, Chuck Phillips wrote:

I¡¯ve had good luck with using CA glue as a finish for cocobolo if you need to seal it.? Try to lay on a uniform coat, either wait for it to cure or hit it with accelerator, then sand & polish.? Alternatively, you can just polish the wood directly, although if anyone handling it has been sensitized they will likely react to it.

Chuck Phillips

Works more wood than metal¡­


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Re: wood

Jerry Durand
 

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thanks, I'll tell her

On 10/23/2011 08:21 PM, Chuck Phillips wrote:

I¡¯ve had good luck with using CA glue as a finish for cocobolo if you need to seal it.? Try to lay on a uniform coat, either wait for it to cure or hit it with accelerator, then sand & polish.? Alternatively, you can just polish the wood directly, although if anyone handling it has been sensitized they will likely react to it.

?

Chuck Phillips

Works more wood than metal¡­


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Re: wood

 

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I¡¯ve had good luck with using CA glue as a finish for cocobolo if you need to seal it.? Try to lay on a uniform coat, either wait for it to cure or hit it with accelerator, then sand & polish.? Alternatively, you can just polish the wood directly, although if anyone handling it has been sensitized they will likely react to it.

?

Chuck Phillips

Works more wood than metal¡­

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From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 6:06 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] wood

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My wife just asked what would be a good finish for this since wood? She
was thinking of paste wax like she uses on other woods.

On 10/23/2011 06:02 PM, John Guenther wrote:
> That's for sure. I have gotten some nasty skin irritation making pens
> from cocobolo wood. Pretty stuff when finished, gloves, mask, and good
> vacuum to catch the chips as they come off.

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Re: wood

Jerry Durand
 

My wife just asked what would be a good finish for this since wood? She
was thinking of paste wax like she uses on other woods.

On 10/23/2011 06:02 PM, John Guenther wrote:
That's for sure. I have gotten some nasty skin irritation making pens
from cocobolo wood. Pretty stuff when finished, gloves, mask, and good
vacuum to catch the chips as they come off.
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Re: wood

John Guenther
 

That's for sure. I have gotten some nasty skin irritation making pens
from cocobolo wood. Pretty stuff when finished, gloves, mask, and good
vacuum to catch the chips as they come off.
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John Guenther
'Ye Olde Pen Maker'
Sterling, Virginia

On Sun, 2011-10-23 at 22:33 +0100, Bernie Walker wrote:


Jerry

Cocobolo dust is a sensitizer and an irritant please wear
gloves and a mask when clearing up, if you have not done so already

Its not poisonous so don¡¯t be alarmed but could cause skin
irritation and or sinus problems.

Hope this warning is not too late.



Cheers

Bernie




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From:7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: 23 October 2011 21:57
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] wood






I just did a little work on some cocobolo wood for a project my wife
is
working on, just had to round up and take out surface gouges in a
piece
of dowel). Sure makes a mess doing wood on these lathes. I think I'll
stick with metal and plastic. :)

Of course some plastics leave high static "snow" stuck to everything
in
sight, so I'm not sure that's better.

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Skype: jerrydurand





Re: Knurling

 

On Sunday 23 October 2011 10:38:52 GadgetBuilder wrote:
There are two schools of thought on knurling: to prevent doubling the OD of the work must be adjusted to match the
knurl, and if the knurl doubles then increase pressure. "Religious" wars occur between these schools so expect fireworks shortly ;-)
<chuckle> I wouldn't say it was that bad

some of the differences come from the type of knurl holder you use and how you feed it onto the work


if you bump the knurls in from the side (top pix on that link) then pressure is going to be more important
you'll want to feed them in hard and fast ,the blank diameter only starts to matter with very coarse knurls

if you straddle the work from the side (middle pix on that link)its a little of both you have to get on it hard
but you also have to watch the blank size and centering a little more carefully

if you feed in from the end of the part (bottom pix on that link) then the blank diameter is critical
and no matter how carefully you calculate it you'll need to adjust the size just a little to get them tracking right

with any of these you can fudge the blank size a bit by adjusting the depth of the knurling to whatever
tracks right ,it will look just about as good with a small flat at the crest as it does with full peaks

Brian
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Re: wood

Jerry Durand
 

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Never *cough* too *cough* late *cough*.? :) :)


On 10/23/2011 02:33 PM, Bernie Walker wrote:

Jerry

??????????? Cocobolo dust is a sensitizer and an irritant please wear gloves and a mask when clearing up, if you have not done so already

??????????? Its not poisonous so don¡¯t be alarmed but could cause skin irritation and or sinus problems.

Hope this warning is not too late.

?

Cheers

Bernie



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tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand 


Re: wood

 

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Jerry

??????????? Cocobolo dust is a sensitizer and an irritant please wear gloves and a mask when clearing up, if you have not done so already

??????????? Its not poisonous so don¡¯t be alarmed but could cause skin irritation and or sinus problems.

Hope this warning is not too late.

?

Cheers

Bernie

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From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: 23 October 2011 21:57
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] wood

?

?

I just did a little work on some cocobolo wood for a project my wife is
working on, just had to round up and take out surface gouges in a piece
of dowel). Sure makes a mess doing wood on these lathes. I think I'll
stick with metal and plastic. :)

Of course some plastics leave high static "snow" stuck to everything in
sight, so I'm not sure that's better.

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand


Re: wood

MERTON B BAKER
 

I had wood lathes before I had metal turning ones. If you are working in
you metal shop turning wood, have the vacuum nozzle near the chisel. The
chips vanish. The mixture of chips and air is explosive, be warned.

Mert

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of Jerry Durand
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 4:57 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] wood


I just did a little work on some cocobolo wood for a project my wife is
working on, just had to round up and take out surface gouges in a piece
of dowel). Sure makes a mess doing wood on these lathes. I think I'll
stick with metal and plastic. :)

Of course some plastics leave high static "snow" stuck to everything in
sight, so I'm not sure that's better.

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand



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Re: Knurling

 

Trevor,

I did some knurling this weekend and had to think about it again. I went
to Little Machine Shop
( ) and got it
figured out from there.

Nice work in the picture.

Cheers,

Andrew in Melbourne

On Sun, 2011-10-23 at 16:37 +0000, trevor_rymell wrote:

Can someone advise me about knurling, please?

I've been using an Eagle Rock scissor knurling tool with a couple of
medium diamond knurls for some years now with satisfactory results.

I've never given any thought to the work-piece diameter in relation to
knurl pitch and have always managed to get fairly clean results -
mostly in brass and alloy. Not quite sure why but they always seem to
turn out ok.


20Motorbikes/DSC00395.jpg

What I'd like to do now is buy some sets of straight knurls but never
having tried these before, I feel I need some advice.

For example, I assume it's critical with straight knurls to calculate
the OD of the work piece as a multiple of the dia or pitch of the
knurl.

What I don't understand yet is how the two knurls are positioned so
that they mesh male to female so that the crest of the "male" matches
the trough of the "female"? Just thinking about it, I can't see how
you prevent crest meeting crest and ending up with double-tracking.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Trevor





wood

Jerry Durand
 

I just did a little work on some cocobolo wood for a project my wife is
working on, just had to round up and take out surface gouges in a piece
of dowel). Sure makes a mess doing wood on these lathes. I think I'll
stick with metal and plastic. :)

Of course some plastics leave high static "snow" stuck to everything in
sight, so I'm not sure that's better.

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand


Re: Knurling

 

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I'm also from the "more pressure" school.? The idea is that if you get a deep enough knurl the first time around, even if there is some tracking problem the knurl will "catch" in the groove formed and be pulled into alignment.
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I have found this usually works (but not quite always).
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The problem with the "more pressure" school with?the mini lathe is that is?harder to achieve with a standard knurling tool due to the smallness and lack of rigidity of the machine.? That's why a scissors knurling tool is a good choice for the mini lathe because it doesn't need to depend on the lathe's strength to make the pressure.
?
Chuck K.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Knurling

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There are two schools of thought on knurling: to prevent doubling the OD of the work must be adjusted to match the knurl, and if the knurl doubles then increase pressure. "Religious" wars occur between these schools so expect fireworks shortly ;-)

I'm from the increase pressure school. I was doing a diamond knurl and one knurl doubled and the other worked properly. Since both knurls were working on the same diameter I concluded that diameter wasn't the controlling factor.

Straight knurls work about the same as diamond knurls. With a diamond knurl, each knurl must sync with itself. With straight knurls each knurl must sync with itself and also with the other knurl, not generally a problem since they're identical.

The problem in either case is getting them started properly so they sync. My approach is with the work stationary, engage about 1/4 of the knurl on the work and crank on some pressure. Rotate the work slowly and check for sync - if it isn't sync'ed add pressure while rotating until it syncs. (It's possible that it won't sync but I've only seen it happen once and this was on material that work hardened easily.) It is sometimes difficult to recover when doubling occurs - turn the area down slightly and try again.

Once synced, check that depth of knurl is correct then traverse the area to be knurled. I generally go down and back but some go down and then release the knurl. If the knurl isn't deep enough add pressure and make another pass. A fully formed knurl can be rough on the hands so consider this when deciding how much pressure to add. Also, try to knurl in one pass since the knurl is cold working the metal and this can cause failure where chunks of the work pull away and stick on the knurl. Doubling increases the probability of this type of failure.

Some material is difficult to knurl no matter what you do - I avoid knurling stainless when possible and some types of aluminum are prone to chunks coming off.

Always use lots of oil and low speed. Clean knurls thoroughly after each use.

Expect someone from the OD adjustment school to come by and refute all this shortly... :-)

John

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "trevor_rymell" wrote:
>
> Can someone advise me about knurling, please?
>
> I've been using an Eagle Rock scissor knurling tool with a couple of medium diamond knurls for some years now with satisfactory results.
>
> I've never given any thought to the work-piece diameter in relation to knurl pitch and have always managed to get fairly clean results - mostly in brass and alloy. Not quite sure why but they always seem to turn out ok.
>
>
>
> What I'd like to do now is buy some sets of straight knurls but never having tried these before, I feel I need some advice.
>
> For example, I assume it's critical with straight knurls to calculate the OD of the work piece as a multiple of the dia or pitch of the knurl.
>
> What I don't understand yet is how the two knurls are positioned so that they mesh male to female so that the crest of the "male" matches the trough of the "female"? Just thinking about it, I can't see how you prevent crest meeting crest and ending up with double-tracking.
>
> Any advice would be much appreciated.
>
> Trevor
>


Re: Knurling

 

There are two schools of thought on knurling: to prevent doubling the OD of the work must be adjusted to match the knurl, and if the knurl doubles then increase pressure. "Religious" wars occur between these schools so expect fireworks shortly ;-)

I'm from the increase pressure school. I was doing a diamond knurl and one knurl doubled and the other worked properly. Since both knurls were working on the same diameter I concluded that diameter wasn't the controlling factor.

Straight knurls work about the same as diamond knurls. With a diamond knurl, each knurl must sync with itself. With straight knurls each knurl must sync with itself and also with the other knurl, not generally a problem since they're identical.

The problem in either case is getting them started properly so they sync. My approach is with the work stationary, engage about 1/4 of the knurl on the work and crank on some pressure. Rotate the work slowly and check for sync - if it isn't sync'ed add pressure while rotating until it syncs. (It's possible that it won't sync but I've only seen it happen once and this was on material that work hardened easily.) It is sometimes difficult to recover when doubling occurs - turn the area down slightly and try again.

Once synced, check that depth of knurl is correct then traverse the area to be knurled. I generally go down and back but some go down and then release the knurl. If the knurl isn't deep enough add pressure and make another pass. A fully formed knurl can be rough on the hands so consider this when deciding how much pressure to add. Also, try to knurl in one pass since the knurl is cold working the metal and this can cause failure where chunks of the work pull away and stick on the knurl. Doubling increases the probability of this type of failure.

Some material is difficult to knurl no matter what you do - I avoid knurling stainless when possible and some types of aluminum are prone to chunks coming off.

Always use lots of oil and low speed. Clean knurls thoroughly after each use.

Expect someone from the OD adjustment school to come by and refute all this shortly... :-)

John

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "trevor_rymell" <trevor_rymell@...> wrote:

Can someone advise me about knurling, please?

I've been using an Eagle Rock scissor knurling tool with a couple of medium diamond knurls for some years now with satisfactory results.

I've never given any thought to the work-piece diameter in relation to knurl pitch and have always managed to get fairly clean results - mostly in brass and alloy. Not quite sure why but they always seem to turn out ok.



What I'd like to do now is buy some sets of straight knurls but never having tried these before, I feel I need some advice.

For example, I assume it's critical with straight knurls to calculate the OD of the work piece as a multiple of the dia or pitch of the knurl.

What I don't understand yet is how the two knurls are positioned so that they mesh male to female so that the crest of the "male" matches the trough of the "female"? Just thinking about it, I can't see how you prevent crest meeting crest and ending up with double-tracking.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Trevor


Re: Knurling

 

Here are some more:- ??????? ?
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Or you could check out You Tube for video

From: trevor_rymell
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011, 17:37
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Knurling

?
Can someone advise me about knurling, please?

I've been using an Eagle Rock scissor knurling tool with a couple of medium diamond knurls for some years now with satisfactory results.

I've never given any thought to the work-piece diameter in relation to knurl pitch and have always managed to get fairly clean results - mostly in brass and alloy. Not quite sure why but they always seem to turn out ok.



What I'd like to do now is buy some sets of straight knurls but never having tried these before, I feel I need some advice.

For example, I assume it's critical with straight knurls to calculate the OD of the work piece as a multiple of the dia or pitch of the knurl.

What I don't understand yet is how the two knurls are positioned so that they mesh male to female so that the crest of the "male" matches the trough of the "female"? Just thinking about it, I can't see how you prevent crest meeting crest and ending up with double-tracking.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Trevor




Re: Knurling

 

This may help you :-

From: trevor_rymell <trevor_rymell@...>
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011, 17:37
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Knurling

?
Can someone advise me about knurling, please?

I've been using an Eagle Rock scissor knurling tool with a couple of medium diamond knurls for some years now with satisfactory results.

I've never given any thought to the work-piece diameter in relation to knurl pitch and have always managed to get fairly clean results - mostly in brass and alloy. Not quite sure why but they always seem to turn out ok.



What I'd like to do now is buy some sets of straight knurls but never having tried these before, I feel I need some advice.

For example, I assume it's critical with straight knurls to calculate the OD of the work piece as a multiple of the dia or pitch of the knurl.

What I don't understand yet is how the two knurls are positioned so that they mesh male to female so that the crest of the "male" matches the trough of the "female"? Just thinking about it, I can't see how you prevent crest meeting crest and ending up with double-tracking.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Trevor




Re: Need a 20% harbor freight coupon if you got one,...thanks

 

You have 30 days to get the price fixed. If you ordered thru a store,
go into the store with the coupon. If you ordered online, call them.

DISC20 is an online code and you can find all coupons here:



On the first page at the slickdeals link, scroll down to the wiki and
part way down you'll see 4311 Retail A. There's a 20% off entire order
there and if you scroll down further to Digital Savings you'll find a
20% off single item there.





On Sun, 23 Oct 2011, g36rick wrote:



--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "enolaniaga34" <enolaniaga34@...> wrote:



--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Carl Forsberg" <cforsberg@> wrote:

Oh great. Hi folks. I just joined recently and on the advise of this group's posts, ordered a Habour Frieght 7 x 12 ($499 + $12 shipping). NOW I find out there are coupons. Did I leave money on the table?

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "enolaniaga34" <enolaniaga34@> wrote:

gotta get me some more chinese stuff :]

yeah, you lost $100....happens to all of us sooner or later though.
just type in disc20 in the coupon code box and you should be good to go !



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Knurling

trevor_rymell
 

Can someone advise me about knurling, please?

I've been using an Eagle Rock scissor knurling tool with a couple of medium diamond knurls for some years now with satisfactory results.

I've never given any thought to the work-piece diameter in relation to knurl pitch and have always managed to get fairly clean results - mostly in brass and alloy. Not quite sure why but they always seem to turn out ok.



What I'd like to do now is buy some sets of straight knurls but never having tried these before, I feel I need some advice.

For example, I assume it's critical with straight knurls to calculate the OD of the work piece as a multiple of the dia or pitch of the knurl.

What I don't understand yet is how the two knurls are positioned so that they mesh male to female so that the crest of the "male" matches the trough of the "female"? Just thinking about it, I can't see how you prevent crest meeting crest and ending up with double-tracking.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Trevor


Re: Need a 20% harbor freight coupon if you got one,...thanks

 

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "enolaniaga34" <enolaniaga34@...> wrote:



--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Carl Forsberg" <cforsberg@> wrote:

Oh great. Hi folks. I just joined recently and on the advise of this group's posts, ordered a Habour Frieght 7 x 12 ($499 + $12 shipping). NOW I find out there are coupons. Did I leave money on the table?

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "enolaniaga34" <enolaniaga34@> wrote:

gotta get me some more chinese stuff :]

yeah, you lost $100....happens to all of us sooner or later though.
just type in disc20 in the coupon code box and you should be good to go !


Odd shape

Jerry Durand
 

Today I was making a bracket out a piece of acetal (6" x 1.5" x 3/16")
and decided the end should be rounded to look better. Hmmm... I
removed two jaws from my 4-jaw chuck and flipped the other two around.
I clamped the plastic flat side on the first inner step of the jaws and
rotated the tool post 90 degrees so the cutting tool was parallel to the
lathe axis. Slide the plastic to where one end is further out than the
other (it's just clearing the ways) and cut away. Worked great!

Looked like a small airplane trying to take off. :)

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Re: I just bought a Boulder Precision metal lathe ML 714 anybody have one?

John Mattis
 

You can down load a pdf of the manual from the Grizzle web site.
John


From: MERTON B BAKER
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 3:23 AM
Subject: RE: [7x12minilathe] I just bought a Boulder Precision metal lathe ML 714 anybody have one?

?
If it's the usual Sieg/RB "7x12" , which is really a 7x14, the manual is in
the files, I think, and LMS has copies. Mert

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of ronzer
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 9:47 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] I just bought a Boulder Precision metal lathe
ML 714 anybody have one?

I just bought a Boulder Precision metal lathe ML 714 , I need a manual?
Thanks

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