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Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

nissan.370z
 

Well for the lathe I will use one of my little blue pump bottles with a flexible nozzle on the end, I just meant for other uses of WD-40 where you need to be able to spray it.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Randal Williams <azizavfr@...> wrote:

Instead of using their pressured sprayers, just put it in a squeeze wash bottle.?? It will minimize any over-spray and waste.

-rw
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

 

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From: nissan.370z To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, 20 October 2011, 22:13
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

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Cool thanks. I wonder if I could put it in one of those Harbor Freight spray cans that you load your own mixture in and pressurize it with air? I have one but never used it.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ward Miller <wardmiller@...> wrote:
>
> Charles, I see you use a lot of WD-40. Just so you'll know, here is
> what it consists of:
>
> 50% Stoddard solvent (i.e., mineral spirits, similar to kerosene)
> 25% liquified petroleum gas, or carbon dioxide (as a propellant)
> 15% Mineral oil (light lubricating oil)
> 10% inert ingredients
>
> So, you could mix 3 parts of Mineral spirits (from the paint store) and
> 1 part light lubricating oil, and use it where you would use WD-40 and
> at a lot lower cost.
>
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

Randal Williams
 

Instead of using their pressured sprayers, just put it in a squeeze wash bottle.? It will minimize any over-spray and waste.

-rw

From: nissan.370z
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:13 PM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

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Cool thanks. I wonder if I could put it in one of those Harbor Freight spray cans that you load your own mixture in and pressurize it with air? I have one but never used it.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ward Miller wrote:
>
> Charles, I see you use a lot of WD-40. Just so you'll know, here is
> what it consists of:
>
> 50% Stoddard solvent (i.e., mineral spirits, similar to kerosene)
> 25% liquified petroleum gas, or carbon dioxide (as a propellant)
> 15% Mineral oil (light lubricating oil)
> 10% inert ingredients
>
> So, you could mix 3 parts of Mineral spirits (from the paint store) and
> 1 part light lubricating oil, and use it where you would use WD-40 and
> at a lot lower cost.
>
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

nissan.370z
 

Cool thanks. I wonder if I could put it in one of those Harbor Freight spray cans that you load your own mixture in and pressurize it with air? I have one but never used it.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ward Miller <wardmiller@...> wrote:

Charles, I see you use a lot of WD-40. Just so you'll know, here is
what it consists of:

50% Stoddard solvent (i.e., mineral spirits, similar to kerosene)
25% liquified petroleum gas, or carbon dioxide (as a propellant)
15% Mineral oil (light lubricating oil)
10% inert ingredients

So, you could mix 3 parts of Mineral spirits (from the paint store) and
1 part light lubricating oil, and use it where you would use WD-40 and
at a lot lower cost.
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

 

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Charles, I see you use a lot of WD-40.? Just so you'll know, here is what it consists of:

50% Stoddard solvent (i.e., mineral spirits, similar to kerosene)
25% liquified petroleum gas, or carbon dioxide (as a propellant)
15% Mineral oil (light lubricating oil)
10% inert ingredients

So, you could mix 3 parts of Mineral spirits (from the paint store) and 1 part light lubricating oil, and use it where you would use WD-40 and at a lot lower cost.

Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

nissan.370z
 

Thanks everyone. I didn't think about WD-40 or Kerosene for cleaning the grease off. I have plenty WD-40 but no kerosene right now (I wouldn't use gas to clean it off though).

I surely wasn't aware I could use WD-40 as cutting oil for Aluminum. That is cool!

I'll buy one of the cheap cutting fluids mentioned for cutting steel too.

As far as synthetic motor oils go for lathe way oil, does it matter what weight I use? I have a left over quart of 5w30 Synthetic Oil that isn't being used.

As far as plastic pipe to practice on, I have been looking for some dlerin or similar to use. There is a new eBay seller that combines shipping very well and he just got delrin in (is that good to practice on?).

He specializes in small orders. I ordered several 12" long pieces of 6061 round Aluminum stock from him (3/8", 1/2", 5/8", 3/4", 7/8", 1" and 1-1/8" diameters) and he shipped them all for the single item shipping price Flat Rate Priority Mail from CA for only $4.95 (the stock was cheap too), (the next shipping price for larger orders is around $10.95 I think for next size package). Some places dont combine shipping like that on small orders.

Hope I am allowed to mention eBay sellers on here, here is his link if anyone needs to order some small pieces of stock.

Just ask for what his combined cost will be for your order so you know what he can fit in what size package. I'm open to any other places anyone knows about too though. Later on I will stock long lengths like I do steel plate, box tubing etc.

Thanks again everyone for the advice!
Charles
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

Jim Dunmyer
 

I use mostly TapMagic for all cutting, except for aluminum. WD-40 is best for that. Enco's propietary cutting fluid is OK, too, and I like it for tapping brass, as TapMagic causes the swarf to turn green. Yuck!

TapMagic and Enco's fluid come in 1 pint cans, and I transfer it to these 1-Oz. bottles: These things are next to my LeBlond and the Mini-Lathe, also the B'Port.

As you said, a little will last seemingly "forever", so cost isn't a big deal.

And, to the O.P.: Look at the various web sites for hints & tips for adjusting and setting up your new lathe. There are a number of modifications that are nearly mandatory, IMO, such as the cover over the apron gears. Adjusting the carriage and lead screw are also mandatory.

<<Jim>>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles" <ckinzer@...>
To: <7x12minilathe@...>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:06 PM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?


I see you already have some opinions, so one more won't kill you.

Kerosene is good for the initial cleanup. Somebody mentioned some use gas which, for obvious reasons, should NEVER be used for such cleaning.

You mentioned "affordable" regarding cutting oils. I don't know any that aren't. But since proper usage will prevent breaking expensive taps and ruining expensive parts, even something expensive (if there is such a thing) is cheap.

Tap Magic ProTap can serve all your tapping needs on all metals pretty well. You can also use it as a cutting fluid. For the typical hobbyist, a small container will last a very, very long time.

Here a link to Enco for a 4 oz. can for $2.86. It's easy to have a couple of these laying around handy. This (and other Tap Magic offerings) is a very mainstream product and sits on a lot of machinists work tables.



I used to use a sulpherized dark cutting oil for steels, stainless, and iron, but got tired of the stinky smell. But some people still like to use that. Tap Magic has a reasonably pleasant smell, at least to me.

Water soluble cutting oil was mentioned but I wouldn't recommend it unless you really had a need for it. Such as flood cooling on the mill or lathe. If you aren't using flood cooling, I don't think it brings anything to the party except the risk of bacteria growth which can also get pretty stinky.

You can actually use almost anything for a way lube on these little machines and the idea of using a synthetic motor oil if fine.

An opinion about tap and bit quality: I think it as important to use high quality taps and cutting bits as it is to use high quality tapping and cutting fluids. Cheaps taps, especially, are throwing away good money since they tend to be shortlived and give poorer results.

Chuck K.

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Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

Jerry Durand
 

On 10/20/2011 11:06 AM, Charles wrote:
Water soluble cutting oil was mentioned but I wouldn't recommend it unless you really had a need for it. Such as flood cooling on the mill or lathe. If you aren't using flood cooling, I don't think it brings anything to the party except the risk of bacteria growth which can also get pretty stinky.
True, I only use it because I've already got it made up for the other
machine. I use it on the band saw too (a 1 gallon jug goes a LONG way
when you mix it with water).

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tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

Jerry Durand
 

On 10/20/2011 11:06 AM, Charles wrote:
Kerosene is good for the initial cleanup. Somebody mentioned some use gas which, for obvious reasons, should NEVER be used for such cleaning.
Since it's NOT obvious to all people, there are three main reasons to
not use petrol/gasoline:

1. Any spark can really ruin your day. This includes powering up the
machine with a small bit left after you thought it had all evaporated.

2. It will attack a lot of plastics. Parts of your machine are plastic
including the wiring.

3. The vapor isn't good for you and can be absorbed through the skin.

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Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

 

I see you already have some opinions, so one more won't kill you.

Kerosene is good for the initial cleanup. Somebody mentioned some use gas which, for obvious reasons, should NEVER be used for such cleaning.

You mentioned "affordable" regarding cutting oils. I don't know any that aren't. But since proper usage will prevent breaking expensive taps and ruining expensive parts, even something expensive (if there is such a thing) is cheap.

Tap Magic ProTap can serve all your tapping needs on all metals pretty well. You can also use it as a cutting fluid. For the typical hobbyist, a small container will last a very, very long time.

Here a link to Enco for a 4 oz. can for $2.86. It's easy to have a couple of these laying around handy. This (and other Tap Magic offerings) is a very mainstream product and sits on a lot of machinists work tables.



I used to use a sulpherized dark cutting oil for steels, stainless, and iron, but got tired of the stinky smell. But some people still like to use that. Tap Magic has a reasonably pleasant smell, at least to me.

Water soluble cutting oil was mentioned but I wouldn't recommend it unless you really had a need for it. Such as flood cooling on the mill or lathe. If you aren't using flood cooling, I don't think it brings anything to the party except the risk of bacteria growth which can also get pretty stinky.

You can actually use almost anything for a way lube on these little machines and the idea of using a synthetic motor oil if fine.

An opinion about tap and bit quality: I think it as important to use high quality taps and cutting bits as it is to use high quality tapping and cutting fluids. Cheaps taps, especially, are throwing away good money since they tend to be shortlived and give poorer results.

Chuck K.

<SNIP>
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

Jerry Durand
 

On 10/20/2011 09:53 AM, nissan.370z wrote:
What is best to use for me to clean all of the red grease off of my new 7x12 mini-lathe?
Kerosene (paraffin in the UK) or WD-40 both work well.

Also what affordable cutting oils does everyone use for various metals? I am starting with some 6061 Aluminum stock probably as my first cuts on the lathe. I also will want to do some mild steel and stainless steel at some point. I have some reading to do so I am familiar with the lathe and make sure I am doing everything properly. I just want to know what to order online or buy locally for cutting oil and also to clean the lathe.
I use the soluble cutting oil I already had for the milling machine,
only use it when I feel it needs it. For tapping I use Tap Magic.


And what is best for way oil? I want something that will keep the lathe from rusting if it sits a couple weeks here and there. I see various types in spray cans and bottle out there, not sure what to get.
I use "Medium Way Lube" from PetroChem. Again, old bottle for the
milling machine but it meets the recommendations from the lathe
manufacturer. I even checked with Grizzly on that.

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

Randal Williams
 

Cleaning fluids:? WD-40 or kerosene
Cutting fluids:? WD-40 for aluminum, Heavy pipe cutting oil for steel
Way oil:? Mobil 1 Vectra #2 Way oil.

You might want to look in your local area for the Vectra, if you do want to order on-line.? A gallon of that will last you a lifetime, and then some.

-rw

From: nissan.370z <ebandit@...>
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 9:53 AM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

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What is best to use for me to clean all of the red grease off of my new 7x12 mini-lathe?

Also what affordable cutting oils does everyone use for various metals? I am starting with some 6061 Aluminum stock probably as my first cuts on the lathe. I also will want to do some mild steel and stainless steel at some point. I have some reading to do so I am familiar with the lathe and make sure I am doing everything properly. I just want to know what to order online or buy locally for cutting oil and also to clean the lathe.

And what is best for way oil? I want something that will keep the lathe from rusting if it sits a couple weeks here and there. I see various types in spray cans and bottle out there, not sure what to get.

Thanks!
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

 

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I have read people using mineral spirits and even gas.

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For cutting oil on AL.. I use WD-40 most of the time..

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I would also suggest picking up some PVC pipe of different wall thickness..? very forgiving when ¡®learning¡¯ on you new machine. =)

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For rust.. I spray with WD-40 again and cover with my old sheet..

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I have read others using aloe I think it was?

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From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of nissan.370z
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:54 AM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

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What is best to use for me to clean all of the red grease off of my new 7x12 mini-lathe?

Also what affordable cutting oils does everyone use for various metals? I am starting with some 6061 Aluminum stock probably as my first cuts on the lathe. I also will want to do some mild steel and stainless steel at some point. I have some reading to do so I am familiar with the lathe and make sure I am doing everything properly. I just want to know what to order online or buy locally for cutting oil and also to clean the lathe.

And what is best for way oil? I want something that will keep the lathe from rusting if it sits a couple weeks here and there. I see various types in spray cans and bottle out there, not sure what to get.

Thanks!
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

sky_king602002
 

If you are in the US, odorless paint thinner or wd 40 will work as solvents for the red goop.

For preventing rust, a spray product called Boeshield, available at boating and marine shops, works extremely well. It is highly recommended for cast iron tools in condensing environments (so if you have woodworking tools, like a jointer or table saw, Fine Woodworking rated Boeshield highest in controlled tests, and will work great on machine tools). You may also try WD 40 as a water-displacing oily spray - it's also a lot cheaper than Boeshield.

For lubricant for the ways, you can use one of the synthetic automotive oils - these work very well. Pour some off into a small oil can and dispense from there.

To choose a cutting oil, check out one of the suppliers - here in the eastern US, there is Travers. There are several other big machine shop suppliers that will show up on the web, and everyone has their favorite.

b

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "nissan.370z" <ebandit@...> wrote:

What is best to use for me to clean all of the red grease off of my new 7x12 mini-lathe?

Also what affordable cutting oils does everyone use for various metals? I am starting with some 6061 Aluminum stock probably as my first cuts on the lathe. I also will want to do some mild steel and stainless steel at some point. I have some reading to do so I am familiar with the lathe and make sure I am doing everything properly. I just want to know what to order online or buy locally for cutting oil and also to clean the lathe.

And what is best for way oil? I want something that will keep the lathe from rusting if it sits a couple weeks here and there. I see various types in spray cans and bottle out there, not sure what to get.

Thanks!
Re: Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

 

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I found kerosene did a fine job of removing the red grease.? It is inexpensive and leaves just a slight oily surface, discouraging rust.

When you ask what cutting oils to use, it is like beginning a religious debate.? I believe simple is better.? I've found Tap-Magic works just fine for me, and don't need a half dozen or more different products/compounds for different tasks.? But you'll hear a lot of different opinions on that, some with considerable fervor.

Enjoy your new toy!

Best to use for cleaning red grease off lathe + oil for cutting fluid & way oil?

nissan.370z
 

What is best to use for me to clean all of the red grease off of my new 7x12 mini-lathe?

Also what affordable cutting oils does everyone use for various metals? I am starting with some 6061 Aluminum stock probably as my first cuts on the lathe. I also will want to do some mild steel and stainless steel at some point. I have some reading to do so I am familiar with the lathe and make sure I am doing everything properly. I just want to know what to order online or buy locally for cutting oil and also to clean the lathe.

And what is best for way oil? I want something that will keep the lathe from rusting if it sits a couple weeks here and there. I see various types in spray cans and bottle out there, not sure what to get.

Thanks!
SPINDLE DEPTH STOP

hanley_gerald
 

I'm looking for a plan for a spindle depth stop. Can anyone point to a site that may have one posted.

Gerry
Re: Where to buy magnetic-base work lamp

 

I understand CRI. That only affects how colors look. It does not hide defects or shadows or cause accidents as the person Mike T. responded to, implied. While I completely agree that even those flourescent lights that are supposed to be real close to incandescents do have a different "color" of light, however, regardless of what the temperature of that light is from the flourescent, unless you are using a UV lamp or a damaged lamp, they are no worse for your eyes than incandescents.

Personally, I prefer to use the "daylight" tubes in my shop.

Paul

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:

On 10/18/2011 09:03 AM, Paul wrote:
However, light is light, the same photon waves will illuminate the same objects regardless of what the source is, therefore, any suggestion that you flourescent causes more accidents or "hides" defects is plain BS. Anyone who has had HS level Physics will tell you that.
Best not make that statement near a painter, just listened to the rants
of theatrical set painters getting stuck with florescent lighting.
Look up CRI.


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Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand
Re: grinding wheel update

Jerry Durand
 

May have, don't know. So Use-Enco would be the discount outlet for MSC
Direct which is the outlet for MSC Services? These corporate pretzels
get confusing.

On 10/18/2011 05:37 PM, Roy wrote:
I thought MSC bought Enco a couple of years ago.

Roy
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Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand
Re: grinding wheel update

 

I thought MSC bought Enco a couple of years ago.

Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:

Since I already have diamond bench stones for final touch-up, I got an
80 grit SiC wheel from Enco. I notice they sell Tru-Maxx and Norton
wheels, I got the Tru-Maxx. The box says "Crystolon private label" so
it sounds like it's a Norton wheel without the extra fee for the Norton
brand name.*

Also, it's not clear in the catalog but it DOES come with hole bushings.

* just to be more confusing, Tru-Maxx is owned by MSC Services Corp
which has 81 trademarks. MSC Direct is their web page (and they sell the
Tru-Maxx wheels for more than Enco). So Enco buys the wheels from MSC
who buys them from Norton.

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Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand
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