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screws

Michael Parish
 

At less than a buck a piece why would you want to go through all that effort to make thumbscrews??? My theory is never make what you can buy cheap.


Re: potmeter with swicth for 7X12

 

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Alex/Andy,

I have a RB mini-lathe supplied several years ago by Warco that has the KB board.

?When the pot went iffy several years ago i was able to rescue/ restore it for quite some time by using switch cleaner spray and in the meantime order a pot from ARC (intended for the Sieg) and that was a straight swap and appeared identical to the one I removed. They are both 4.7k (if I remember correctly) and also fit the sieg mini-mill

Gerry W
Leeds UK





To: 7x12minilathe@...
From: andyf.1108@...
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:01:27 +0000
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: potmeter with swicth for 7X12

?
Hi Alex,

I think the spares supplied by Arc Euro Trade are mainly for lathes from the Sieg factory in China. If your lathe has a KBLC240D board, it probably comes from the rival Real Bull factory. I do not know if they use the same switch.

Here are two UK companies who sell Real Bull mini-lathes, and may be able to help with a replacement:
< >
< >

Have you tried a electrical switch-cleaning spray? Sometimes these can restore a dirty switch so it works again. The improvement may not last for long, so it would be wise to order a new one.

Andy


--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "alex4459jopiklal44" wrote:
>
> hello all memebers
> I have the "Einhell mtb 300" minilathe
> with a KBLC-240d controll board
>
> I turned very slowly ,and did make the lathe stall..
> Then It would not run anymore...
> Each time I turn the speed controller to off.. and turning on again, the chuck moves a few centimeters.. trying in reverse gave the same result.
> I did not think I had overloaded the regulator ,so I tried to find the reason.. with the pot ,that connect when off, in mind, I looked at this switch..
> it is the switch that are defective.. it sometimes make contact and sometimes are not effectiv closed.. it often make a short short when I turn on the speedcontroller.
>
> Well no need to examine how and why.. the switch in the speed control is not good anymore.
>
> Then I looked at ARC in UK for buying a new one.. they have them , but it is out of stock.
>
> finally.. hope someone sometime can use this mail ,if he have the same problem and
> second.. Do any of you know of another supplier here in Europe
> thanks for listening
> alex
> Denmark
>



Re: Narrow angle center drill

Jerry Durand
 

On 12/07/2012 08:39 AM, Stephen Castello wrote:
Looks like the same taper as on a pencil. Could be used to wood screw
holes with a dowel sharpened in a pencil sharpener.
Could be for something like making nozzles too.

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Re: potmeter with swicth for 7X12

 

Hi Alex,

I think the spares supplied by Arc Euro Trade are mainly for lathes from the Sieg factory in China. If your lathe has a KBLC240D board, it probably comes from the rival Real Bull factory. I do not know if they use the same switch.

Here are two UK companies who sell Real Bull mini-lathes, and may be able to help with a replacement:
< >
< >

Have you tried a electrical switch-cleaning spray? Sometimes these can restore a dirty switch so it works again. The improvement may not last for long, so it would be wise to order a new one.

Andy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "alex4459jopiklal44" <christiansen_alex@...> wrote:

hello all memebers
I have the "Einhell mtb 300" minilathe
with a KBLC-240d controll board

I turned very slowly ,and did make the lathe stall..
Then It would not run anymore...
Each time I turn the speed controller to off.. and turning on again, the chuck moves a few centimeters.. trying in reverse gave the same result.
I did not think I had overloaded the regulator ,so I tried to find the reason.. with the pot ,that connect when off, in mind, I looked at this switch..
it is the switch that are defective.. it sometimes make contact and sometimes are not effectiv closed.. it often make a short short when I turn on the speedcontroller.

Well no need to examine how and why.. the switch in the speed control is not good anymore.

Then I looked at ARC in UK for buying a new one.. they have them , but it is out of stock.

finally.. hope someone sometime can use this mail ,if he have the same problem and
second.. Do any of you know of another supplier here in Europe
thanks for listening
alex
Denmark


potmeter with swicth for 7X12

 

hello all memebers
I have the "Einhell mtb 300" minilathe
with a KBLC-240d controll board

I turned very slowly ,and did make the lathe stall..
Then It would not run anymore...
Each time I turn the speed controller to off.. and turning on again, the chuck moves a few centimeters.. trying in reverse gave the same result.
I did not think I had overloaded the regulator ,so I tried to find the reason.. with the pot ,that connect when off, in mind, I looked at this switch..
it is the switch that are defective.. it sometimes make contact and sometimes are not effectiv closed.. it often make a short short when I turn on the speedcontroller.

Well no need to examine how and why.. the switch in the speed control is not good anymore.

Then I looked at ARC in UK for buying a new one.. they have them , but it is out of stock.

finally.. hope someone sometime can use this mail ,if he have the same problem and
second.. Do any of you know of another supplier here in Europe
thanks for listening
alex
Denmark


Re: Narrow angle center drill

Stephen Castello
 

On Thu, 06 Dec 2012 11:57:31 -0000, "chucketn" <chunk07@...>
had a flock of green cheek conures squawk out:

I took a picture of the center drill in question next to the 60¡ã one from my set from LMS.



Any ideas as to what it's tued for?

Chuck
Looks like the same taper as on a pencil. Could be used to wood screw
holes with a dowel sharpened in a pencil sharpener.

--

Stephen

Movie fact:
Mothers routinely cook eggs, bacon and waffles for their family every morning even though their husband and children never have time to eat it.


Re: Question about turning down and runout

 

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It's that two-step method that, to me, is just too tedious.? But the first thing I did with the lathe was remove that pesky splash guard.? I consider it a nuisance because, on such a small lathe, it is just in too close.? If splash guarding is needed, a little free standing one can be positioned on the bench further back.? More room around the lathe front and back also makes lathe cleanup easier.
?
Chuck K.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: Question about turning down and runout

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On 12/06/2012 08:38 PM, ckinzer@... wrote:
A real time saver with 4-jaw chucks is to use two chuck keys, one on each side, when making each adjustment.? Much faster and easier.
?
Chuck K.
?


I have the rear splash guard still on so can only use one wrench, but don't have any real problem.? I shift the lathe into neutral and then turn the chuck watching my dial indicator.? I turn until I find the spot where the shaft is the most extended and then slightly loosen the closest jaw.? Turn 180 degrees and tighten the opposing jaw.

Repeat.
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tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


Re: Bearing seal for front tapered roller bearing?

 

In the Files section see the zip file near the end titled:
tapered-roller-bearing.zip

This contains a description of the bearing change process, including pictures and a description of how to make seals.

John

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Dick" <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:

I am installing tapered roller bearings in my 7x lathe headstock. In reading various postings on the subject I have noted that some people have used o rings and some have used automotive gasket material to prevent swarf from reaching the unsealed front bearing. I have been considering using a felt wiper gasket under the bearing cover.
I welcome input on this topic and look forward to hearing about how you have addressed this issue.
Thanks
Dick


Re: Threading for the first time

MERTON B BAKER
 

A wheel is fine for things like collet closers, or to add inertia to the
spindle, or if you like to stop & start the spindle by hand, as is necessary
on a sewing machine, but for threading, you need torque and control, and the
hand crank rules. The radius wants to be 6" at least, and 8" is better.

Mert

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@...
[mailto:7x12minilathe@...]On Behalf Of CLevinski
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:02 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Threading for the first time


Thanks, guys... I like the idea of a wheel, but I would think it really
needs a handle to hold onto. One of the linked designs was set up with
both. I'll pick one and go with it. Now if I could just find some 1 1/8
inch round stock without having to pay more for shipping than the metal is
worth! I have one inch in stock, but not 1 1/8 inch...

Well, maybe I'll put together another metal order...

Charlie


--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "CLevinski" <clevinski@...> wrote:

OK, looks like I need to make a hand-crank for the mini-lathe...

Thanks to all for their suggestions and comments!

Charlie

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "CLevinski" <clevinski@> wrote:

Hi, All,

I'm going to try single-point threading for the first time. I've read up
on the procedure, and I figure the best way is to just jump in and give it a
try. I'll initially make a 3/8-24 thread, only because it's big enough for
me to really see the progress as it develops. But what I would really like
to make for use after that is a 5 mm thread. These are, I believe, a 0.8 mm
pitch. My goal is to make some thumbscrews to hold the gear cover on my
lathe without having to use a hex key to get it off. My question is whether
this is too fine a thread for me to do as a beginner? Are there any special
tricks?

I guess it really doesn't matter; if I screw it up (pun intended), I'll
just try it again.

Thanks,
Charlie



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Re: Bearing seal for front tapered roller bearing?

 

I didn't give it a thought, when I went tapered 4 years ago. Swarf doesn't get behind the chuck flange, does it?
Then, it would have to pass the dust cover ring.......

Never had any problem, or needed to disturb anything.

David. Derbyshire. UK.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Dick" <old_toolmaker@...> wrote:

I am installing tapered roller bearings in my 7x lathe headstock. In reading various postings on the subject I have noted that some people have used o rings and some have used automotive gasket material to prevent swarf from reaching the unsealed front bearing. I have been considering using a felt wiper gasket under the bearing cover.
I welcome input on this topic and look forward to hearing about how you have addressed this issue.
Thanks
Dick


Thanks for answers on my query about metric button head screws for 7x12 topslide handles

 

My silly (sounds so much better than effing??) pc has been in a bounce mode for our 7x12 group or is it yahoo??

Anyway, I am fortunate to live in the Pacific Northwest not that far from the I-5 corridor so have access to Seattle Tacoma
industrial complex and associated suppliers. I wanted to confirm the screw size so I could stop at Tacoma Screw tomorrow to
get two of those screws for my 7x12. I like the idea Mert shared about using a power screwdriver in the button head socket
to put power drive to the topslide for turning tapers.
I'd get them from Chris Wood's LMS but saving the shipping cost has real appeal.

BTW I like the comment one of made about how metric 5mm screws are very close to USA 10-32 fine.
My limited experience does show that many US threads have a metric equivalent, especially if you are considering
only a few threads like on a nut. Some years ago there were Swiss rifle cleaning kits available for ther Sturmgewher (SP?)
57 combat rifles.? They had a cleaning rod in five or 6 sections with the coupling having a brass threaded portion to reduce
wear on bores. Unlike the US cleaning rods with a thread size of 8-32, these were AIR metric 5mm. I made some adaptors
on my Unimat to allow US made bore brushes to be used with the Swiss rod, I had a metric 5mm tap for that.
Later found that 10-32 would have done just as well.

Larry Murray

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Re: Question about turning down and runout

Jerry Durand
 

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On 12/06/2012 08:38 PM, ckinzer@... wrote:
A real time saver with 4-jaw chucks is to use two chuck keys, one on each side, when making each adjustment.? Much faster and easier.
?
Chuck K.
?


I have the rear splash guard still on so can only use one wrench, but don't have any real problem.? I shift the lathe into neutral and then turn the chuck watching my dial indicator.? I turn until I find the spot where the shaft is the most extended and then slightly loosen the closest jaw.? Turn 180 degrees and tighten the opposing jaw.

Repeat.
-- 
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tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


Re: Question about turning down and runout

 

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A real time saver with 4-jaw chucks is to use two chuck keys, one on each side, when making each adjustment.? Much faster and easier.
?
Chuck K.
?

----- Original Message -----
From: Roy
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:02 PM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Question about turning down and runout

?

Centering square (or hex or any other even sided polygon) isn't difficult, just tedious. Start by eyeballing it centered - that's what the grooves in the face of most 4 jaw chucks are for. Next, choose a pair of flats that are 180¡ã apart, use a carriage mounted dial indicator to measure its relative height. Move the carriage towards the TS so the indicator is clear of the work, rotate the spindle 180¡ã, return the carriage so the indicator contacts the work. Note the reading; it'll usually be different than the first one. The difference between the readings is twice the amount the work is off center.

Move opposing jaws half the difference between indicator readings, repeat the measurements. (It usually takes a couple of iterations to actually get things centered.) Repeat the process for the other pair of jaws.

I usually mount the indicator behind the work & adjust horizontally to align things. There's nothing magical about that - it's sometimes handier to mount the indicator above the work, although that's more the case with larger machines. If you can't simply traverse the carriage to get the indicator clear of the work, you can use the cross slide. If you do that, you've got to retract it beyond the nominal "zero" position & advance it to "zero" to remove the free play in the feed screw.

A small magnet on the chuck makes it easier to keep track of which jaws are being adjusted. A little piece of the rubbery realtor fridge magnets works well & doesn't do any damage when you forget to remove it from the chuck face before powering up the lathe;-)

Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Andy Franks wrote:
>
>
> Using a round collet to hold hex stock would be awkward, Mike. You would have to avoid getting a corner of the stock coinciding with a slit in the collet.
>
> If you had a 4-jaw, you could try making a tube of the same internal diameter as the across corners dimension of the hex, slitting it down one side to form a single slit collet, then use the 4-jaw to close that down on the hex, and also to shuffle it around until it ran true. But how to ascertain when hex (or square) stock is running true is a question to which I don't know the answer. I bet someone on here does, though.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
> To: 7x12minilathe@...
> From: exibar@...
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:02:47 +0000
> Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout
>
>
>
>
>
> It certainly does help! Thank you all very much!
>
> I can't seem to find MT3 hex collets.. But plenty of 5c hex collets... Only 5c chuck I saw was almost 300 bucks... That ain't gunna happen.... Anyone know of a source for MT3 hex 1/4" collets? Or a cheap 5c chuck?
>
> How accurate could I get putting a hex into a round collet? Or is that just silly to even think about?
>
> Thanks all!
> Mike B
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
> From: John Kiely
> Sender: 7x12minilathe@...
> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:13:44 -0800 (PST)
> To: 7x12minilathe@...<7x12minilathe@...>
> ReplyTo: 7x12minilathe@...
> Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout
>
>
>
>
>
> I favour a 4 jaw chuck as the other guys have mentioned. You will need a good DTI to go with it! Two chuck keys for the 4 jaw makes lining up easier.
> If using a minilathe with a 4 jaw chuck you might have to shorten the arms/wings on the Chuck Key to fit on the inside/offside of the lathe. Space there is on certain lathes is at a premium.
> If you are turning softer metals just beware that the metal can score and dig in to the chuck jaws resulting in the work piece drifting. In this case, use lighter cuts and don't squeeze the jaws too tight.
> Collets are expensive, for a small run you could try a piece of hard wood in the jaws. Drill a hole with a drill bit in the tailstock to fit your work piece and use a screw to hold the piece in place. It's not very hardwearing but for a small amount of use and softer metals it's perfect.
> If you don't have a 4 jaw chuck you can always try using some shims between the jaws and the workpiece to get everything bang on?
> For perfect accurate and repeatable work look in to using collets as others have already suggested.
> Hope some of this helps?
>
> John Kiely (IRL)
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Exibar
> To: 7x12minilathe@...
> Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:52 PM
> Subject: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout
>
> Ok, so here's an interesting 'something' that I'd like thoughts on...
>
> First of all, I went through and ensured that my lathe is spot on with alignment, shaft not bent, chuck is spinning true (well, less than .003, about .0025 runout), etc etc
>
> So, I take a 6 inch piece of .050" round bar I got from Lowes, chuck it up ( 4", 3 jaw chuck), check with dial gauge and it's running true (needle swings about .001ish) and turn down about an inch and quarter down to 5/16'ths.... Check the new section and it's dead on, dial indicator barely vibrates it moves so little....
> I then part it off, remove the large piece from the chuck and then chuck up the freshly turned down section.... And what happens? It has over .010" of runout.... What the heck? Shouldn't that be running true?
> If I turn it in the chuck and then retighten, I can lessen the runout down to slight over .005... But this is a piece that was running dead nuts on before...
>
>
> I haven't pulle my crossslide off and cleaned inspected that assembly, I always suspect the gibs... I should check LMS for a new set of gibs... At least to cross that off the list...
>
> Any thoughts guys? Is this odd or too be expected? I don't recall ever running into this type of issue before :-(
>
>
> Thanks!
> Mike B
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
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Re: Bearing seal for front tapered roller bearing?

 

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I¡¯ve done nothing.? I¡¯m working on the assumption that it is unlikely that swarf will find its way behind the chuck and past the cover plate.? Even if it does, I¡¯m assuming that the swarf would stick to the surface of the grease like flies on flypaper. ??Of course I could be completely wrong, but I¡¯ve suffered no ill effects in over 2 years of operation.

?

Robert

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From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of Dick
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:49 AM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Bearing seal for front tapered roller bearing?

?

?

I am installing tapered roller bearings in my 7x lathe headstock. In reading various postings on the subject I have noted that some people have used o rings and some have used automotive gasket material to prevent swarf from reaching the unsealed front bearing. I have been considering using a felt wiper gasket under the bearing cover.
I welcome input on this topic and look forward to hearing about how you have addressed this issue.
Thanks
Dick


Re: Question about turning down and runout

John Lindo
 

Just a thought.
Cut up a?aluminium?beer can (drink the beer first) and wrap around the hex bar?
like shim stock,ensure no overlap. Start to pull up the round collet into the spindle slowly checking for concentricity, when satisfied,firm up the collet.
If this works,drink another beer and keep the can.
Don't throw?anything?away.
John L
Spain.


From: Exibar
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout

?
It certainly does help! Thank you all very much!

I can't seem to find MT3 hex collets.. But plenty of 5c hex collets... Only 5c chuck I saw was almost 300 bucks... That ain't gunna happen.... Anyone know of a source for MT3 hex 1/4" collets? Or a cheap 5c chuck?

How accurate could I get putting a hex into a round collet? Or is that just silly to even think about?

Thanks all!
Mike B
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

From: John Kiely
Sender: 7x12minilathe@...
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:13:44 -0800 (PST)
To: 7x12minilathe@...<7x12minilathe@...>
ReplyTo: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout

?
I favour a 4 jaw chuck as the other guys have mentioned. You will need a good DTI?to go with it! Two chuck keys for the 4 jaw makes lining up easier.
If using a minilathe with a 4 jaw chuck you might have to shorten the arms/wings on the Chuck Key to fit on the inside/offside of the lathe. Space there is on certain lathes is at a premium.
If you are turning softer metals just beware that the metal can score and dig in to the chuck jaws resulting in the work piece drifting. In this case, use lighter cuts and don't squeeze the jaws too tight.
Collets are expensive, for a small run you could try a piece of hard wood in the jaws. Drill a hole with?a drill bit in the?tailstock?to fit your work piece and use a screw to hold the piece in place. It's not very hardwearing but for a small amount of use and softer metals?it's perfect.
If you don't have a 4 jaw chuck you can always try using some shims between the jaws and the workpiece to get everything bang on?
For perfect accurate and repeatable work look in to using collets as others have already suggested.
Hope some of this helps?
?
John Kiely (IRL)

From: Exibar
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:52 PM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout

Ok, so here's an interesting 'something' that I'd like thoughts on...

? First of all, I went through and ensured that my lathe is spot on with alignment, shaft not bent, chuck is spinning true (well, less than .003, about .0025 runout), etc etc

? So, I take a 6 inch piece of .050" round bar I got from Lowes, chuck it up ( 4", 3 jaw chuck), check with dial gauge and it's running true (needle swings about .001ish) and turn down about an inch and quarter down to 5/16'ths....? Check the new section and it's dead on, dial indicator barely vibrates it moves so little....
? ? I then part it off, remove the large piece from the chuck and then chuck up the freshly turned down section....? And what happens?? It has over .010" of runout....? What the heck?? Shouldn't that be running true?
? If I turn it in the chuck and then retighten, I can lessen the runout down to slight over .005...? But this is a piece that was running dead nuts on before...


? I haven't pulle my crossslide off and cleaned inspected that assembly, I always suspect the gibs...? I should check LMS for a new set of gibs... At least to cross that off the list...

? Any thoughts guys?? Is this odd or too be expected?? I don't recall ever running into this type of issue before :-(


? Thanks!
? Mike B
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Re: Question about turning down and runout

 

Centering square (or hex or any other even sided polygon) isn't difficult, just tedious. Start by eyeballing it centered - that's what the grooves in the face of most 4 jaw chucks are for. Next, choose a pair of flats that are 180¡ã apart, use a carriage mounted dial indicator to measure its relative height. Move the carriage towards the TS so the indicator is clear of the work, rotate the spindle 180¡ã, return the carriage so the indicator contacts the work. Note the reading; it'll usually be different than the first one. The difference between the readings is twice the amount the work is off center.

Move opposing jaws half the difference between indicator readings, repeat the measurements. (It usually takes a couple of iterations to actually get things centered.) Repeat the process for the other pair of jaws.

I usually mount the indicator behind the work & adjust horizontally to align things. There's nothing magical about that - it's sometimes handier to mount the indicator above the work, although that's more the case with larger machines. If you can't simply traverse the carriage to get the indicator clear of the work, you can use the cross slide. If you do that, you've got to retract it beyond the nominal "zero" position & advance it to "zero" to remove the free play in the feed screw.

A small magnet on the chuck makes it easier to keep track of which jaws are being adjusted. A little piece of the rubbery realtor fridge magnets works well & doesn't do any damage when you forget to remove it from the chuck face before powering up the lathe;-)

Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Andy Franks <andyf.1108@...> wrote:


Using a round collet to hold hex stock would be awkward, Mike. You would have to avoid getting a corner of the stock coinciding with a slit in the collet.

If you had a 4-jaw, you could try making a tube of the same internal diameter as the across corners dimension of the hex, slitting it down one side to form a single slit collet, then use the 4-jaw to close that down on the hex, and also to shuffle it around until it ran true. But how to ascertain when hex (or square) stock is running true is a question to which I don't know the answer. I bet someone on here does, though.

Andy



To: 7x12minilathe@...
From: exibar@...
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 22:02:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout





It certainly does help! Thank you all very much!

I can't seem to find MT3 hex collets.. But plenty of 5c hex collets... Only 5c chuck I saw was almost 300 bucks... That ain't gunna happen.... Anyone know of a source for MT3 hex 1/4" collets? Or a cheap 5c chuck?

How accurate could I get putting a hex into a round collet? Or is that just silly to even think about?

Thanks all!
Mike B
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T


From: John Kiely <john_kiely@...>
Sender: 7x12minilathe@...
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 13:13:44 -0800 (PST)
To: 7x12minilathe@...<7x12minilathe@...>
ReplyTo: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout





I favour a 4 jaw chuck as the other guys have mentioned. You will need a good DTI to go with it! Two chuck keys for the 4 jaw makes lining up easier.
If using a minilathe with a 4 jaw chuck you might have to shorten the arms/wings on the Chuck Key to fit on the inside/offside of the lathe. Space there is on certain lathes is at a premium.
If you are turning softer metals just beware that the metal can score and dig in to the chuck jaws resulting in the work piece drifting. In this case, use lighter cuts and don't squeeze the jaws too tight.
Collets are expensive, for a small run you could try a piece of hard wood in the jaws. Drill a hole with a drill bit in the tailstock to fit your work piece and use a screw to hold the piece in place. It's not very hardwearing but for a small amount of use and softer metals it's perfect.
If you don't have a 4 jaw chuck you can always try using some shims between the jaws and the workpiece to get everything bang on?
For perfect accurate and repeatable work look in to using collets as others have already suggested.
Hope some of this helps?

John Kiely (IRL)





From: Exibar <exibar@...>
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 5:52 PM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Question about turning down and runout

Ok, so here's an interesting 'something' that I'd like thoughts on...

First of all, I went through and ensured that my lathe is spot on with alignment, shaft not bent, chuck is spinning true (well, less than .003, about .0025 runout), etc etc

So, I take a 6 inch piece of .050" round bar I got from Lowes, chuck it up ( 4", 3 jaw chuck), check with dial gauge and it's running true (needle swings about .001ish) and turn down about an inch and quarter down to 5/16'ths.... Check the new section and it's dead on, dial indicator barely vibrates it moves so little....
I then part it off, remove the large piece from the chuck and then chuck up the freshly turned down section.... And what happens? It has over .010" of runout.... What the heck? Shouldn't that be running true?
If I turn it in the chuck and then retighten, I can lessen the runout down to slight over .005... But this is a piece that was running dead nuts on before...


I haven't pulle my crossslide off and cleaned inspected that assembly, I always suspect the gibs... I should check LMS for a new set of gibs... At least to cross that off the list...

Any thoughts guys? Is this odd or too be expected? I don't recall ever running into this type of issue before :-(


Thanks!
Mike B
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Re: Threading for the first time

 

Thanks, guys... I like the idea of a wheel, but I would think it really needs a handle to hold onto. One of the linked designs was set up with both. I'll pick one and go with it. Now if I could just find some 1 1/8 inch round stock without having to pay more for shipping than the metal is worth! I have one inch in stock, but not 1 1/8 inch...

Well, maybe I'll put together another metal order...

Charlie

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "CLevinski" <clevinski@...> wrote:

OK, looks like I need to make a hand-crank for the mini-lathe...

Thanks to all for their suggestions and comments!

Charlie

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "CLevinski" <clevinski@> wrote:

Hi, All,

I'm going to try single-point threading for the first time. I've read up on the procedure, and I figure the best way is to just jump in and give it a try. I'll initially make a 3/8-24 thread, only because it's big enough for me to really see the progress as it develops. But what I would really like to make for use after that is a 5 mm thread. These are, I believe, a 0.8 mm pitch. My goal is to make some thumbscrews to hold the gear cover on my lathe without having to use a hex key to get it off. My question is whether this is too fine a thread for me to do as a beginner? Are there any special tricks?

I guess it really doesn't matter; if I screw it up (pun intended), I'll just try it again.

Thanks,
Charlie


Re: Narrow angle center drill

 

It's the wrong shape for an engraving bit; they're normally half-round cutters with the end ground to the desired width.



It's shaped like some type of center drill with an uncommon angle:



Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "chucketn" <chunk07@...> wrote:

In annother forum, it was suggested the bit in question could be an ingraving bit for a pantograph, what do ya'll think? I'd think it would be too fragile for that.

Chuck


Re: Question about turning down and runout

 

It's chuck error. Self centering chucks aren't dead on accurate. You may be able to reduce the error by wiggling the stock as you tighten the jaws; they don't always accurately grip the stock, especially small diameters.

You can also improve the repeatability of the chuck by disassembling it & grooming all the pieces, paying particular attention to making sure the jaws slide freely. The real fix is making an adjustable backplate, allowing you to adjust the chuck mounting for zero runout at any arbitrary diameter.

Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Exibar" <exibar@...> wrote:

Ok, so here's an interesting 'something' that I'd like thoughts on...

First of all, I went through and ensured that my lathe is spot on with alignment, shaft not bent, chuck is spinning true (well, less than .003, about .0025 runout), etc etc

So, I take a 6 inch piece of .050" round bar I got from Lowes, chuck it up ( 4", 3 jaw chuck), check with dial gauge and it's running true (needle swings about .001ish) and turn down about an inch and quarter down to 5/16'ths.... Check the new section and it's dead on, dial indicator barely vibrates it moves so little....
I then part it off, remove the large piece from the chuck and then chuck up the freshly turned down section.... And what happens? It has over .010" of runout.... What the heck? Shouldn't that be running true?
If I turn it in the chuck and then retighten, I can lessen the runout down to slight over .005... But this is a piece that was running dead nuts on before...


I haven't pulle my crossslide off and cleaned inspected that assembly, I always suspect the gibs... I should check LMS for a new set of gibs... At least to cross that off the list...

Any thoughts guys? Is this odd or too be expected? I don't recall ever running into this type of issue before :-(


Thanks!
Mike B
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Re: 7x Lathe Transmission Gear Specs?

 

My 7x10 Lathe is from Harbor Freight

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "drmico60" <mikey.cox@...> wrote:

....
What is the origin of the OP's machine?
Mike