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It is amazing how much non owners of the HF 8x12 claim to know about what it does not include.

I also had the HF shortest 7x and gave it away after I got the 8x12

Yes I also eventually got a 12x36 but the 8x12 is a keeper

Really had no need for the 7x as everything it could do the 8x could do better

I don't believe an extra 20% off is available for the HF 8x12. It seems HF has changed their coupon and discount code policies.


--- In 7x12minilathe@..., John Brookes <haiticare2011@...> wrote:

I own both a 8x and a 7x. The 7x is like a toy compared to the 8. The 8 has massive ways, a big solid TS, and works right out of the box.
The 8x has the feel of a big lathe. I dont cut LH threads, need a feed towards the tailstock, or variable speed. I just leave it at 800 rpm for everything from aluminum to ss. If I really need a different speed, I change the belt in one minute.
At 560, its a buy.

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well heres one for ya.. about 2+ years ago.. it was on sale for $449!.. .. and I used a %20 off coupon on it..

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hardened waysI believe..

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and if you want to add on the no questions asked warranty..? (like I did).. you can get a replacement if it breaks..? (I did that as well)

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----- Original Message -----

From: nissan.370z

To: 7x12minilathe@...

Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:29 PM

Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying a mini-lathe

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I see a 8x12 but not 8x14 (does it measure to be 14 and list as 12?)? And what codes are working online currently? Just curious for a friend not me. I already bought a Grizzly 7x12 (like not having to pay tax, that helped). The 8x12 has its drawbacks but some prefer the belt drive over variable, it is surely a heavier duty machine being 250 pounds ship weight (of course more weight in packaging Vs a 7x12 too) vs the 90 pound 7x12 ship weight.

Not being a patient person I dont like the "Item made to order. Average time to ship is 4 weeks with a maximum of 16 weeks. Customer will be contacted regarding delivery."

Big question though, does anyone know if the bed in the 8x12 is ground and hardened? Dont like the HF only having 90 day warranty though. Seen a reviewer on HF say they paid $499 with free shipping back earlier this year! Never seen the 8x HF lathe that cheap.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., John Brookes wrote:
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> The HF 8x14 now on sale for 699. With 20% coupon that reduces to 560. The 8x14 is much more machine than the 7x.
> j
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A lot of the relatively cheap, bright ones are phosphorized blue LEDs.



Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:

On 10/17/2011 07:36 AM, lists wrote:

UV is certainly harmful to the skin and eyes, the $64,000 question is
whether manufacturers take the issue seriously and provide filter
coatings on the outside of the tubes.

Just to toss another wrench into the gears of life, many if not most
white LEDs are actually UV LEDs with the same type phosphors* in the
plastic as a florescent light has. So they, too, can emit UV.

* some use quantum dots instead. A very few will use multiple LED die
in 3-5 colors, but that's normally only in devices that are color
changing or for video/film lighting.

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand

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On 10/17/2011 07:36 AM, lists wrote:

UV is certainly harmful to the skin and eyes, the $64,000 question is
whether manufacturers take the issue seriously and provide filter
coatings on the outside of the tubes.

Just to toss another wrench into the gears of life, many if not most
white LEDs are actually UV LEDs with the same type phosphors* in the
plastic as a florescent light has. So they, too, can emit UV.

* some use quantum dots instead. A very few will use multiple LED die
in 3-5 colors, but that's normally only in devices that are color
changing or for video/film lighting.

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand

In article <OOEBKAFCDAGNJFABEHBHOELOHCAA.mertbaker@...>,
MERTON B BAKER <mertbaker@...> wrote:

It's the UV end of the solar spectrum that caused
changes in the skin; this leads me to the possibility that the cancer
causing idea may have some truth in it.

UV is certainly harmful to the skin and eyes, the $64,000 question is
whether manufacturers take the issue seriously and provide filter coatings
on the outside of the tubes.

I was browsing a lighting catalogue a while back and looking at small
Halogen lamps, the sort often used for display lighting etc. The catalogue
made it clear that some types were unsuitable for use in "task lighting"
because of UV radiation, unless the fitment had some sort of UV filtering
in its construction. A different range of otherwise identical lamps had UV
filtering built into its front lens and was OK.

It all depends on how close the lamp is to the eyes, in the above
catalogue it specified a minimum distance from the eye for the
non-filtered type which was much greater than for the type with the filter.

Halogens are, of course, an incandescent type lamp.

Fluorescent have been widely used for many years as general lighting and I
know of no statistics suggesting they are any particular risk but they
are, of course, normally mounted on the ceiling, high up and some distance
from the eye. It will be when we use CFLs in table lamps, reading lamps
and local lighting by our lathes that the issues arise.

Any future statistics, however, I suspect will be heavily distorted by the
widespread, deliberate use of UV lighting (blacklighting) in clubs, discos
etc. Any rise in eye problems will be more likely caused by this than
"stray" radiation within the home or workshop.

--
Stuart

Though it does boast variable speed control, my Weiss 7x12 lathe is similar in many respects to an 8x, and came without a leadscrew reverse . I soon decided that a reverse would be helpful, not only for LH threading but also for plain turning up to a shoulder at the outside end of the work. In the end, the reverse proved pretty easy to implement.

I read up on fitting tumbler arrangements to 8x lathes, but as you say, the effort involved seemed "not insignificant". Realising that reverse would not be needed very often, I went for a single idler gear which could be interposed between the spindle gear and the topmost gear on the banjo. The simplest option was be to drill/tap a hole in the headstock into which a stud carrying the extra gear could be screwed when required, but the lathe was under warranty and I doubted my ability to drill in exactly the right place to achieve a good mesh with the spindle gear. Accordingly, I mounted the gear on an arm pivoting around an existing bolt into the headstock, so it can be swung into position when required, the banjo being repositioned to make room for it. Full details at < >

Not as convenient as a proper tumbler reverse, but only takes a few moments to bring into play on the rare occasions when needed.

Andy



To: 7x12minilathe@...
From: steelchipper@...
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 19:37:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: Buying a mini-lathe






I wouldn't advise being too quick to just dismiss being able to cut left hand threads, or to power feed away from the chuck, or bore out a workpiece where you'd have the chuck going in reverse and the tool feeding into the far side of the hole where you can see it, etc. - In short, being able to reverse the direction of the leadscrew (independently of the spindle direction) is not necessarily some minor little detail to carelessly toss away, so to speak.

A little bit of reading background might be in order:

Here, the guys at Fignoggle did a comparison of the 8x versus the 7x and the 9x .

And perhaps most importantly, here shows some 8x12/14 owners discussing their not insignificant efforts to add the necessary tumbler gears, so they can do all that reversible leadscrew stuff mentioned above. Pictures included. Clearly, at least some percentage of 8x12/14 owners do not find a reversible leadscrew to be an unnecessary "frill.".................

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UV is certainly harmful to the skin and eyes, the $64,000 question is
whether manufacturers take the issue seriously and provide filter
coatings on the outside of the tubes.

The quality of light is what will damage your eyes over time. The the CF
you get lots of light but you might not see detail well. It is in the
fine detail were accidents happen.

I use compare light to food as an example. You get lots of hamburgers
cheaply and are fed. But over time you pay for the savings in health
problems. With light the health problems will be injuries and poor eye
sight.

Cheers,

Andrew

On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 01:25 -0500, Michael Taglieri wrote:

I can see why "quality of light" would matter to someone matching
colors or
something, but why does it matter to machining? My shop is all CF
bulbs,
except one incandescent bulb near the lathe because I sometimes use it
as a
source of heat. (In fact, my whole house is CF bulbs except for one on
my
desk that my cat likes to sit under, again as a source of heat).

Mike Taglieri miket_nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"

----- Original Message ----- > On 09/26/2011 05:02 PM, Andrew wrote:

They phased out the 'normal" incandescent bulbs in Australia. The

only

decent alternative are halogen type. I found the CF give a lot of

light

but not the right type of light. Even the "warm" version did not

seem to

be the right quality of light.

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I wouldn't advise being too quick to just dismiss being able to cut
left hand threads, or to power feed away from the chuck, or bore out a
workpiece where you'd have the chuck going in reverse and the tool
feeding into the far side of the hole where you can /see/ it, etc. - In
short, being able to reverse the direction of the leadscrew
(independently of the spindle direction) is not necessarily some minor
little detail to carelessly toss away, so to speak.

A little bit of reading background might be in order:

Here, the guys at Fignoggle did a comparison of the 8x versus the 7x
and the 9x
<>
.

And perhaps most importantly, here shows some 8x12/14 owners
discussing their not insignificant efforts to add the necessary tumbler
gears
<>,
so they can do all that reversible leadscrew stuff mentioned above.
Pictures included. Clearly, at least some percentage of 8x12/14 owners
do not find a reversible leadscrew to be an unnecessary "frill."

If that 7x, 8x, 9x or whatever size lathe is going to be /the only
lathe you own/, I highly recommend doing your homework on this stuff for
yourself. For example, a number of the members here own more than one
lathe. That can /definitely/ color perceptions. An "only lathe" is not
at all the same as a small manual lathe that is an addition to go along
with other bigger lathe(s) and CNC machines and such. An "only lathe"
has do do /everything/ lathe related that you might ever run across,
with no hopping about to other machines you do not have. :-)

More info & understanding is always better: The 7x already has the
variable speed and tumbler gears and whatnot, but it is a small light
duty machine, incapable of taking deeper cuts like the bigger machines
can do, so some operations can take a fair bit longer to get done. Then
again, I remember seeing a video from somebody right here on on this
list taking 1/4" deep cuts into steel with a carefully prepared HSS
turning tool in a well tuned 7x. *Hopefully somebody here will remember
that video and re-post a link* - it just shows what is /possible/ with
these things, just as those 8x photos linked to above do - in that case
of course adding tumbler gears in order to have a reversible leadscrew.

Taking the 8x12/14 and adding a variable speed control and lever
operated tumbler gears for a reversible leadscrew would make for quite a
machine! Until, that is, somebody else notes how nice it would be to
have a quick change gearbox so you can just shift a few levers around to
select a desired feed rate or thread pitch, and, of course, a /powered
cross slide/. :-)

I personally can live with the more "primitive" method of manually
swapping change gears around as needed for threading operations and
such, but not having a reversible leadscrew is just going a bit too
"primitive" for me, heavier mass lathe bed and deeper cut capability
right out of the box or no. But thats just me with my one (1) 7x12
mini-lathe and my one (1) X2 mini-mill with which I have to do
/everything/.

I should note again, though, how so many members and group
owners/moderators on these various metalworking lists, seem to
eventually end up getting 12x or larger lathes and much bigger mills and
such. Running into jobs too big to fit little benchtop machines can be
really bothersome and may lead to major purchases for some folks. This
"hobby" can sure be heck on the wallet. :-)

In any case, best of luck!
John Z.

On 10/16/2011 11:08 AM, nissan.370z wrote:

That would be awesome but I dont compare prices when they are that old
of deals. I paid $440 for a brand new 7x12 last week and wondering if
I should return it and get the 8x12 if it is that much better. A
friend of mine is going to order one Monday if he finds a working
coupon code. I still have yet to find one that will work on that lathe.

The current price before code isnt bad, but by the time you add
shipping and tax that is more than I am spending right now (I will
wait another year or two and hopefully be buying either a used decent
size SouthBend or a new 12x-14x lathe with like 36-40 bed roughly if I
have the room for it I plan by then).

So at $440 and no tax (plus shipping cheaper than HF charges), should
I keep the 7x12 or return it and get the HF 8x lathe? (if a working
coupon code is shown to me) Or keep the 7x12 and learn on it till I
can get a much larger lathe like I want that will blow the 8x away? I
am conflicted now that I seen this deal and possible coupon?

-----Original Message-----
From: 7x12minilathe@... [mailto:7x12minilathe@...] On Behalf Of gwelo62
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 1:15 PM
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] compare mini lathe to 6" atlas

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Some of you gents have used a wide array of lathes. How do the 7x and 8x lathes compare to an Atlas or South Bend (size excepted)?

Cheers

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That would be awesome but I dont compare prices when they are that old of deals. I paid $440 for a brand new 7x12 last week and wondering if I should return it and get the 8x12 if it is that much better. A friend of mine is going to order one Monday if he finds a working coupon code. I still have yet to find one that will work on that lathe.

The current price before code isnt bad, but by the time you add shipping and tax that is more than I am spending right now (I will wait another year or two and hopefully be buying either a used decent size SouthBend or a new 12x-14x lathe with like 36-40 bed roughly if I have the room for it I plan by then).

So at $440 and no tax (plus shipping cheaper than HF charges), should I keep the 7x12 or return it and get the HF 8x lathe? (if a working coupon code is shown to me) Or keep the 7x12 and learn on it till I can get a much larger lathe like I want that will blow the 8x away? I am conflicted now that I seen this deal and possible coupon?