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Re: Threading question

 

FWIW
.8mm Thread is really close to 32TPI.

Don't think you'd be able to tell, unless you had a really long piece.


Re: Threading question

 

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On 10/11/2011 12:02 PM, GadgetBuilder wrote:
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> Probably metric, M4x8
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> John
>
> --- In 7x12minilathe@...
> , "nps0" wrote:
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>> I need to shorten a couple of gun cleaning rods. Found that the
>> thread was an odd one - 32 tpi (no problem with this) but the OD is
>> 0.153, which falls between 6-32 and 8-32. Machinery's Handbook
>> doesn't list a 7xanything thread. IS there a #7 machine screw size?
>> I guess that's why we have lathes - but a die would be nice to
>> clean up the threads.
>>
>> Norm
>>
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> __

Hmmm -? Interesting combination.? I measured a 4mm screw at 0.155", so the diameter is right, but the thread is definitely 32 tpi, not the same as the 4mm screw.? It's a skinny rod, so there's not enough meat to go up to an 8-32 tap.? Guess it's lathe or nothing - - -

Thanks for the suggestions.

Norm


Re: Carbide wheel

Jerry Durand
 

The carbide mills I use on our small CNC are made of bacteria sized
powder that's been sintered. I don't know if any "solid" carbide is
actually cast as one piece.

On 10/11/2011 09:24 AM, Ray Kornele wrote:
Most carbide tools are high-temp BRAZED! I, too worked in a machine shop,
and ordered many of the tools, including M-5 for some special jobs that
could not be cooled with coolant.

I, also, ordered, and, installed a vortex cooler. Keeps things cool by
producing super cold air.

--
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tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand


Re: Threading question

 

Probably metric, M4x8

John

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "nps0" <w6nim@...> wrote:

I need to shorten a couple of gun cleaning rods. Found that the thread was an odd one - 32 tpi (no problem with this) but the OD is 0.153, which falls between 6-32 and 8-32. Machinery's Handbook doesn't list a 7xanything thread. IS there a #7 machine screw size? I guess that's why we have lathes - but a die would be nice to clean up the threads.

Norm


Re: Threading question

MERTON B BAKER
 

Welcome to made overseas. What I'd do in this case, is run the 8-32 tap in
the holes and then tap the new spigots 8-32. I've run into this before.
Fool around with some scrap first..

Mert

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I need to shorten a couple of gun cleaning rods. Found that the thread was
an odd one - 32 tpi (no problem with this) but the OD is 0.153, which falls
between 6-32 and 8-32. Machinery's Handbook doesn't list a 7xanything
thread. IS there a #7 machine screw size? I guess that's why we have
lathes - but a die would be nice to clean up the threads.

Norm



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Threading question

 

I need to shorten a couple of gun cleaning rods. Found that the thread was an odd one - 32 tpi (no problem with this) but the OD is 0.153, which falls between 6-32 and 8-32. Machinery's Handbook doesn't list a 7xanything thread. IS there a #7 machine screw size? I guess that's why we have lathes - but a die would be nice to clean up the threads.

Norm


Re: Carbide wheel

 

my understanding is the material is actually a sintered combination of carbon and tungsten which forms tungsten-carbide particles.

Machine tool cutters are formed by combining the particles with a softer cobalt (sometimes with nickel) matrix. The result is "cemented carbide".



mike

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Leo Cormier <leocor@...> wrote:


"The green wheels don't actually grind the carbide, they pull little pieces of carbide away & grind the binder."

What binder? Carbide is a sintered material, which means that tiny pieces of carbide (almost powder) are compressed under great force and heated until it binds together as one piece.

As far as "pull little pieces of carbide away" goes, that is exactly what grinding is.

I spent 12 years in vary large machine shops (in shipyards) and we always used the green wheel to rough the brazed carbide tools and the wet diamond wheel to put a polish on just the carbide part of the tool. In a pinch, you can get by without the diamond.

Leo


Re: Carbide wheel

Ray Kornele
 

Mildly so. Not deafening, by a long shot. Just a moderate sound of air escaping. What surprised me was, in 1980 something, it only cost about $200. But, we had to install a refrigerated air dryer to supply air. Withouit the drier, the cooler kept shooting ice bullets, from frozen condensate from the air.

We had some machining to do that had to be cooled, but, couldn't take liquid coolant.

I don't think it was a hilsch. I assume that is a brand name?

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)




On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM, John Brookes <haiticare2011@...> wrote:
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hilsch vortex cooler. holy smokes! Was it noisy?

John B



Re: Carbide wheel

 

hilsch vortex cooler. holy smokes! Was it noisy?

John B

On Oct 11, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Ray Kornele wrote:

Most carbide tools are high-temp BRAZED! I, too worked in a machine shop,
and ordered many of the tools, including M-5 for some special jobs that
could not be cooled with coolant.

I, also, ordered, and, installed a vortex cooler. Keeps things cool by
producing super cold air.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)


On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Leo Cormier <leocor@...> wrote:

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"The green wheels don't actually grind the carbide, they pull little
pieces of carbide away & grind the binder."

What binder? Carbide is a sintered material, which means that tiny pieces
of carbide (almost powder) are compressed under great force and heated until
it binds together as one piece.


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Re: Carbide wheel

Ray Kornele
 

Most carbide tools are high-temp BRAZED! I, too worked in a machine shop,
and ordered many of the tools, including M-5 for some special jobs that
could not be cooled with coolant.

I, also, ordered, and, installed a vortex cooler. Keeps things cool by
producing super cold air.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Leo Cormier <leocor@...> wrote:

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"The green wheels don't actually grind the carbide, they pull little
pieces of carbide away & grind the binder."

What binder? Carbide is a sintered material, which means that tiny pieces
of carbide (almost powder) are compressed under great force and heated until
it binds together as one piece.


Carbide wheel

Leo Cormier
 

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"The green wheels don't actually grind the carbide, they pull little pieces of carbide away & grind the binder."

What binder? Carbide is a sintered material, which means that tiny pieces of carbide (almost powder) are compressed under great force and heated until it binds together as one piece.

As far as "pull little pieces of carbide away" goes, that is exactly what grinding is.

I spent 12 years in vary large machine shops (in shipyards) and we always used the green wheel to rough the brazed carbide tools and the wet diamond wheel to put a polish on just the carbide part of the tool. In a pinch, you can get by without the diamond.

Leo


Re: carbide wheel

 

A cheap alternative to a diamond wheel is the diamond knife sharpening blocks sold widely in places like harbor freight for 15$. They have a mix of grits, and are perfectly adequate for sharpening carbide tools. Typically you use water on them. I use it for sharpening both steel and carbide with excellent results.
Tools have been sharpened by hand for thousands of years, and you get a better edge by hand.
Its an interesting question if sharpening an insert is worth the trouble. I have a Silicon Carbide stone that Kennametal sells, but the diamond cuts much cleaner.
The only time you need a diamond wheel is if you need to sharpen a lot of edge quickly, e.g., a professional knife sharpener, and there is really no reason to get it for sharpening a carbide lathe tool occasionally. I am a tool addict, so I bought a HF tool grinder and a diamond wheel from Enco. Total about $240. But since Ive got it, Ive used it maybe 5 minutes in 3 months!
Another thing to consider is that a wheel produces an inferior result often. This is because hand sharpening has more control and hand-eye coordination. The wheel cuts so fast it is over in a few seconds, much too fast to control by hand. You basically shove the tool at the wheel and hope for a good result.
Drills are easier on the wheel, and I have never sharpened a drill on the diamond block by hand. But it should be possible. I have no doubt a better result would happen.
Recommendation:
-Buy a 15$ diamond knife sharpening block from HF
-get a squirt bottle for occasional water on block
-optional- get a baking pan to contain the water.
-Buy a fluorescent magnifying lap from HF. With a coupon, about $28. I have about 5 of them. A really good light, well-made. This will help you see the work piece edge.
-optional - buy a stereo microscope from ebay. (120$). You will get spectacular results with it, because you will see the edge close up.

JB

On Oct 11, 2011, at 7:04 AM, john brookes wrote:

go diamond if you can.
jb



On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:

I'm thinking of getting a green wheel for my bench grinder for carbide
cutters since I'm getting more of them. Which grit is the best for tool
sharpening, I see Enco has them in 60, 80, and 120. I'm guessing 120
but figured it's best to ask.

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand



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Re: carbide wheel

 

I'm thinking of getting a green wheel for my bench grinder for carbide
cutters since I'm getting more of them. Which grit is the best for tool
sharpening, I see Enco has them in 60, 80, and 120. I'm guessing 120
but figured it's best to ask.
I vote for 60, maybe 80 but not 120. I have a 120 and it's way too slow. Do any fine tuning with a diamond lap.


Re: shaft and bushing for the B/C change gears

Dave
 

For bushings, particularly those carrying shafts that rotate at high speeds, I prefer to use Molyslip gearbox additive - straight from the can - rather than grease. This is quite a viscous fluid and seems to remain in place better than grease and a top-up spot or two, applied every year or so, penetrates easily.
All of my power tools have had this treatment and in over 30 years I have never had any seize or noticed excessive wear.

Dave.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "mattdbartlett" <mattdbartlett@...> wrote:

This happened to me once. As I recall, all I did was remove the gear, remove the support pin from the banjo, and drive the pin out (gently). I would recommend putting the screw back in the hole so that it isn't tight, and then tap it gently. Then take a file and some sand paper, and take down all of the rough spots. More grease is a good idea too. Mine hasn't done it again.

-Matt

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "jaspercan7" <jaspercan7@> wrote:

I was doing some general turning under power feed yesterday, nothing elaborate, and all of a sudden the lathe stalled. After much investigation I finally diagnosed the problem: the B/C gear bushing has somehow fused or stuck itself to the B/C gear shaft on which it rides. Seems absolutely welded. Right now I have it soaking in wd40.
Anyone had a similar problem and can give any advice?
Thanks,
Paul


Re: carbide wheel

 

go diamond if you can.
jb

On Oct 10, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:

I'm thinking of getting a green wheel for my bench grinder for carbide
cutters since I'm getting more of them. Which grit is the best for tool
sharpening, I see Enco has them in 60, 80, and 120. I'm guessing 120
but figured it's best to ask.

--
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tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand



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Re: carbide wheel

 

The green wheels don't actually grind the carbide, they pull little pieces of carbide away & grind the binder.

Roy

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "GadgetBuilder" <John@...> wrote:


The consensus on green wheels for carbide is that they work but cause micro cracks leading to early failure of the edge.

Better to use diamond -- diamond wheels are reasonably priced now and should last a long while in a home shop.

John


--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Jerry Durand <jdurand@> wrote:

I'm thinking of getting a green wheel for my bench grinder for carbide
cutters since I'm getting more of them. Which grit is the best for tool
sharpening, I see Enco has them in 60, 80, and 120. I'm guessing 120
but figured it's best to ask.

--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc. www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype: jerrydurand


Re: carbide wheel

Ray Kornele
 

Without the slightest doubt.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)




On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
??????? I believe we are in agreement here...aren't we?


Re: carbide wheel

Jerry Durand
 

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I believe we are in agreement here...aren't we?

On 10/10/2011 05:23 PM, Ray Kornele wrote:
Whenever you use a grinder, you should use a particle mask. Even though many kinds of dust are non-toxic, over a long period, they can lead to lung disease, including cancer. Do as you like, but, be forewarned.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)


On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
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Pretty much any dust is toxic in some way (may "only" be a severe
irritant) so that's always good advice.



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tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886
Skype:  jerrydurand


Re: carbide wheel

Ray Kornele
 

Whenever you use a grinder, you should use a particle mask. Even though many kinds of dust are non-toxic, over a long period, they can lead to lung disease, including cancer. Do as you like, but, be forewarned.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)


On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
?

Pretty much any dust is toxic in some way (may "only" be a severe
irritant) so that's always good advice.



Re: carbide wheel

Ray Kornele
 

Best to have two green wheels- one 60 or 80 for roughing, and, a 120 for fine finish.

The 120 will work if you grind slow, so you don't burn the carbide. overheating carbide makes it brittle.

KrazyKyngeKorny (Krazy, not stupid)


On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Jerry Durand <jdurand@...> wrote:
?

I'm thinking of getting a green wheel for my bench grinder for carbide
cutters since I'm getting more of them. Which grit is the best for tool
sharpening, I see Enco has them in 60, 80, and 120. I'm guessing 120
but figured it's best to ask.