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Re: First prototype of the laser edge/center finder done!

Michael Taglieri
 

Heinlein is to a typical science fiction writer what, e.g., Saul Bellow
is to a typical novelist. In other words, he uses the SF genre as a
setting for discourse in philosophy, sociology, politics. religion, and
many other subjects. Read his masterpiece, Stranger in a Strange Land,
and you'll see what I mean.

Back to the topic, how is a laser edge-finder supposed to work and what
advantage does it have? Suppose you get your final design so it projects
a nice, narrow, crisp-edged beam. What does the beam do when it touches
the edge? Designs that make an electrical contact and turn on a light
bulb when the tip touches the edge seem to have a clear advantage because
they eliminate any need to watch the tool and see when it touches. With
a laser it seems you're back to using your own judgement, just watching a
laser beam instead of a solid object. How is that better, or does a
laser beam actually DO something when it touches the edge?

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"

On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 20:18:28 -0700 Victoria Welch <wrlabs@...>
writes:

On Tuesday 03 April 2007, born4something wrote:
[ ... ] Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein
I love it. Guess I identify too. Haven't done the sonnets. And
I'm
not sure about the dieing bit. But amazingly I've tried the rest
in
one way or another!
Strangely, a lot of wisdom from a science fiction author...

I've also never done a sonnet nor yet died gallantly, but these days
the
opportunity could come at any time :-(.

Just always had a fascination about how things were made and
what
makes them tick :-).
Yep. That's what got me into electronics. Also led me to spending
a
quarter century in a defence research lab designing and testing a
lot of "experimental stuff" that I can't detail. A lot of multi-
skilling.
Those are the perfect (IMO) jobs, paid to play! You were indeed
lucky!

Now what was that about laser edge finders? I think that was the
topic...
Err, I think so :-).

Now that I have all the errands and other required tasks for the day

done (and caught up on mail :-) I can get back into the shop and
play,
err work on the edge finder some more.

Someone passed me a link to one of the commercial edge / center
finders
and it is supposed to be usable from 1-4", what I posted on the web

page was done at 6", not sure what that means, will have to play
with
it some and see.

Fun!

Take care, Vikki.
--
Victoria Welch, WV9K/7
"Sometimes, I think the proof that intelligent life exists elsewhere
in
the Universe is that it hasn't contacted us." -- Rick Lyons



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Re: circuit board diagram

Michael Taglieri
 

I didn't mean to put down Chinese in general. They can do anything they
put their minds to and have their own space program now. But this
particular factory designed and constructed these lathes to sell as cheap
as possible (which is why so many of us can afford them), and they have
many out-of-the-box flaws. I can understand and largely correct the
mechanical ones, but there are also well-documented areas of
corner-cutting, cheap components, bad solder joints, etc., in the
electronics, an area I don't know much about and (more important), have
no desire to learn more about. I'd rather pay to have this area fixed
right than try to fix it myself and possibly screw up.

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"


On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:49:59 +0100 "Hugh" <hughlss@...>
writes:
Mike,
Don't be offended, but I'm going to pick-up on what you said about
the Chinese. If there's one nation of people on this earth that will
give the customer what he wants, it's the Chinese. The average
worker lacks the skills maybe, and, of course, we want their
low-cost goods - but it's not the same thing as not caring about
what customers want. Tell them and they will fix it. I should know -
I import container loads of machine tools and they bend over
backwards to put things right whenever there's a problem.
Hugh
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Taglieri
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram


I'm beginning to think boosting Rabid's business isn't such a bad
idea.
Uncle Rabid, how much would you charge to take my controller, beef
up all
the crap circuit-board parts and tweak the pots for maximum safe
torque
and minimum safe speed, i.e, the way the Chinese would have done
if they
gave a shit? (And do you need just the controller box, or my
motor
also?)

I'm normally an extremely do-it-yourself kind of guy, but the more
I read
here about adjusting your controller at home, the less sure I am
of doing
it right without frying something. I'd rather let someone do it
who
knows how and stick to the machining that I'm good at.

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:26:17 -0000 "born4something"
<ajs@...> writes:
> Hi Ian,
>
> I'd be talking more to Uncle Rabid before looking to buy a new
> board. He's the local oracle and repairs them for a living. He's

> strangely generous with his advice around here given that he
could
> just play his cards close and boost his business. I think he
> actually likes being helpful! If he can't talk you through he'll
fix
>
> it for you for a pretty reasonable fee anyway.
>
> The other reason for running things past Uncle is that he deals
with
>
> most (all?) the variants on these controllers. Most of us only
> experience one or two of them. Some are FET based and others
SCR.
> Some use relays and others don't. Mine has no relays but those
5-pin
>
> blocks are sounding like 24V coil relays. Two for the coil and
three
>
> for the changeover contact set.
>
> John
>
>
> --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ian Fletcher
> <ian.fletcher@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John, thanks for the warning. I was unable to get a reading
off
>
> the second resistor so have ordered two. Visually I cannot find
any
>
> damage to the board or components apart from what looks like
> mechanical damage to one of the two square yellow blocks marked

> HR54H-S-DC24V which seem to have 5 legs, which I take to be
voltage
>
> convertors? As you can see although capable of soldering and
> unsoldering small components I am not always able to identify
what
> they are!! If I do need to bite the bullet and buy a new board
are
> they all the same from different manufacturers? I know Clarke
lathes
>
> are more expensive that others and wondered if the circuit board

> would be cheaper from other makers. Thanks Ian
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: born4something <ajs@...>
> > >Date: Sun Apr 01 08:02:37 GMT 2007
> > >To: 7x12minilathe@...
> > >Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram
> >
> > > Hi Ian,
> > Just a thought. Might not be what you want to hear. If only
one
> > > resistor is burnt out and they are in parallel as a 0.33 ohm
for
>
> > > current sensing then the machine should run, but overload
sense
>
> at
> > > half load. So either BOTH resistors have failed or there is

> > > something else failed too.
> > > John
> > > --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ian Fletcher
> > > <ian.fletcher@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for advice, resistors ordered at cost of ???,??1 so
if
> that is
> > > all that is wrong I shall have saved ???,??84 !! Thanks for
your
> > > interest and support. Ian
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: born4something <ajs@>
> > > > >Date: Fri Mar 30 08:07:03 GMT 2007
> > > > >To: 7x12minilathe@...
> > > > >Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > 66 ohms sounds a bit high. You may have tricked people
with
>
> that
> > > > > space between the R and 66. Electronics types often use
the
>
> > > prefix
> > > > > as a decimal point (like 1k2 means 1.2k-ohms) and when
there
>
> is
> > > no
> > > > > prefix they just insert the base symbol, R. So R66 is
likely
>
> > > 0.66
> > > > > ohms. It's a convenient notation and avoids using those

> little
> > > dots
> > > > > that don't print clearly and are often multiplied when
> > > photocopying
> > > > > stuff!
> > > > > Check the other resistor. If it is 0.66 ohms I'd expect

> quite a
> > > > > reasonable reading in circuit without even unsoldering
it as
>
> the
> > > > > surrounding components are unlikely to be anywhere near
as
> low
> > > as
> > > > > that. If they are, it's likely a failed FET or triac,
> depending
> > > on
> > > > > your model.
> > > > > John
> > > > > --- In 7x12minilathe@..., andrew franks
> <andyf1108@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looks as though it might be: 5W = 5 watts, R66 = 66
ohm.
> Not
> > > sure
> > > > > about the J, though - could represent a tolerance (as in

> plus or
> > > > > minus a certain percentage from the marked resistance
> value).
> > > > > However, 66 ohms isn't a standard "preffered" value - 68

> ohms
> > > is,
> > > > > though. Can you unsolder its twin, if it has identical
> markings,
> > > and
> > > > > check it? If it is 66 ohms, you may have to use a couple
of
>
> 33
> > > ohm
> > > > > ones, and connect them in series (though if you use 68
ohms,
>
> > > it's
> > > > > probably close enough).
> > > > > > As to wattage, if you can't get 5 watts from Maplin or

> > > > > somewhere, get the next size up.
> > > > > > I wonder what made it burn out, though? Hopefully, it

> was
> > > > > something simple like a short circuit caused by swarf.
> > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > ftr1d <ian.fletcher@> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, I have just purchased a 240 volt Clarke 300m
>
> > > with a
> > > > > dead circuit
> > > > > > board. A new board will cost ???,??85 so I am looking to

> repair
> > > it. The
> > > > > only
> > > > > > fault I can see is a blown ceramic block, one of a
pair,
> which
> > > is
> > > > > > marked 5WR 66J and is in R1 position on the board. I
> assume it
> > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > creamic resistor? Does anyone have a circuit diagram
or
> can
> > > give
> > > > > me the
> > > > > > specification of the part. Thanks Ian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to check out for small

> mills and lathes.
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>
>
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Re: Database of past messages

Chris Bailey
 

Before you put a LOT of effort into this, you might look at this site.



This guy has a util that downloads ALL the messages for a Yahoo group and then stores 'em in a database.

I've purchased this and I have to say I'm VERY happy with it.

Chris Bailey


Ian Foster wrote:


G'day Patrice

Sounds a good idea. BUT ihave looked on the Southbend10k group and
can't find the data base, where is it?

One good turn deserves another.
Regards,
Ian
--- In 7x12minilathe@... <mailto:7x12minilathe%40yahoogroups.com>, "borenson444" <strempe4@...>
wrote:

Hi

I am a Southbend lathe owner that created a database of past
messages
for the Southbend groups a while ago. Since the resource seems to be
useful, I thought I'd maybe try and add one or two new ones.
Metalwork
being my hobby, this group seems interesting.

So I am asking permission from the administrator as well as from
members.

I hope that this message will be moderated to see if it's ok as I
would not want to post something I am not supposed to.

Thanks for your time.

Patrice


Flickr Groups

Mike Payson
 

In case you've never used Flickr, I should probably explain the most
basic steps involved with using it. It's pretty easy, but there are a
couple of things that you'll need to do to make it so we can find your
photos. Just joining the group isn't enough.

First, when you upload a photo, you'll need to add tags. You should
awlays add a tag that includes the group name (ie. grizhfminimill),
plus any other relevant tags. I prefer to run the tag words together
(beltdrive), though you can also surround multiple words with quotes
("belt drive"). The two tags are different, though, so searching for
beltdrive won't find "belt drive", so it's better if we standardize,
or you can add both. Tags are cases insensitive.

After you've finished uploading, tagging, and captioning your photos,
you'll also need to send it to the group for it top show up on our
group page. To do that, just click on the "send to group" button just
above the photo. Choose the appropriate group, click OK & you're done.

If you would like to add an annotation, click on the "add note" button
above the photo. Drag the note that appears to where you want it,
resizing it if necessary, and type your comments.

The photos are automatically scaled when you upload them, so if your
photo is at least 1024x768 when you upload it, it will display on the
main page in a smaller format. If you need to see more detail, click
the "All Sizes" button above the photo.

That's all I can think of now, but hopefully that helps! I know this
sounds like a pain, but Flickr's great interface makes the whole
process pretty simple. After you've done one or two, you'll have no
problems at all.

Mike

On 4/11/07, Mike Payson <mike@...> wrote:
I wanted to let everyone know about three Flickr groups I've created:





Flickr has a number of advantages over the Yahoo photo page since it
has virtually unlimited storage & a very useful annotation feature
(roll your mouse over the photo at

to see what I mean). Photos can also be tagged so they can be
searched. For example, searching for minimill and beltdrive would find
the above photo and the others in the series.

The groups are public, so anyone can browse the photos, but you must
join the group to post photos to it. Not to mention, no more having to
login to Yahoo just to look at a photo!

Flickr is owned by Yahoo, the same username & password that you use to
login to Yahoo groups will work for it as well. I encourage everyone
to join whichever groups apply to you!


Re: Deep Hole .218 x 8"

 

On Wednesday 11 April 2007 15:00, taurokm3 wrote:
The material is 4140 Steel, and it will go in the chuck, it would go
through the spindle, but I have no way to clamp it to the face plate.
This is going to be a gun barrel. It is .770" diameter and 8
inches long (total), with a tip that is 1" x .950" I am thinking of
building some v notched clamps out of aluminum that would bolt to the
faceplate, with notches for the bolts so I can center the stock. It
has been suggested that I weld a standard bit to a length of drill rod
with a V and use that, I just don't know what kind of hole that would
give me.
Thanks
Doug
a v-block or barrel vise clamped to the faceplate should work but
a standard twist drill wont cut straight for more than an inch

I've used half round drills silver soldered to an extension shank
and many many many pecks ,the shank was regular 1018 but drill rod or "piano wire"
from the hobby shop would be better ,you can find half round drills here

grind the shank to a 60deg point and silver solder it into a center drilled socket on
the extension that gives more surface area to hold them together

a couple notes
you don't want to drill it to .218 right off ,drill it to maybe 3/16" then ream it up
to size in several steps something like rough ,semi-finish then finish size
or just under finish size then lap the last half thou

if you want it to finish to 8" long you'll probably want to start with a 10-12" blank
the ends will bellmouth on you when you ream and rifle it

for a couple really good books on barrel drilling and gunsmithing download this cd

its got about everything you'll need

Brian
--
"Nemo me impune lacesset"


Re: circuit board diagram

 

Mike,
Don't be offended, but I'm going to pick-up on what you said about the Chinese. If there's one nation of people on this earth that will give the customer what he wants, it's the Chinese. The average worker lacks the skills maybe, and, of course, we want their low-cost goods - but it's not the same thing as not caring about what customers want. Tell them and they will fix it. I should know - I import container loads of machine tools and they bend over backwards to put things right whenever there's a problem.
Hugh

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Taglieri
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram


I'm beginning to think boosting Rabid's business isn't such a bad idea.
Uncle Rabid, how much would you charge to take my controller, beef up all
the crap circuit-board parts and tweak the pots for maximum safe torque
and minimum safe speed, i.e, the way the Chinese would have done if they
gave a shit? (And do you need just the controller box, or my motor
also?)

I'm normally an extremely do-it-yourself kind of guy, but the more I read
here about adjusting your controller at home, the less sure I am of doing
it right without frying something. I'd rather let someone do it who
knows how and stick to the machining that I'm good at.

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:26:17 -0000 "born4something"
<ajs@...> writes:
> Hi Ian,
>
> I'd be talking more to Uncle Rabid before looking to buy a new
> board. He's the local oracle and repairs them for a living. He's
> strangely generous with his advice around here given that he could
> just play his cards close and boost his business. I think he
> actually likes being helpful! If he can't talk you through he'll fix
>
> it for you for a pretty reasonable fee anyway.
>
> The other reason for running things past Uncle is that he deals with
>
> most (all?) the variants on these controllers. Most of us only
> experience one or two of them. Some are FET based and others SCR.
> Some use relays and others don't. Mine has no relays but those 5-pin
>
> blocks are sounding like 24V coil relays. Two for the coil and three
>
> for the changeover contact set.
>
> John
>
>
> --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ian Fletcher
> <ian.fletcher@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John, thanks for the warning. I was unable to get a reading off
>
> the second resistor so have ordered two. Visually I cannot find any
>
> damage to the board or components apart from what looks like
> mechanical damage to one of the two square yellow blocks marked
> HR54H-S-DC24V which seem to have 5 legs, which I take to be voltage
>
> convertors? As you can see although capable of soldering and
> unsoldering small components I am not always able to identify what
> they are!! If I do need to bite the bullet and buy a new board are
> they all the same from different manufacturers? I know Clarke lathes
>
> are more expensive that others and wondered if the circuit board
> would be cheaper from other makers. Thanks Ian
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: born4something <ajs@...>
> > >Date: Sun Apr 01 08:02:37 GMT 2007
> > >To: 7x12minilathe@...
> > >Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram
> >
> > > Hi Ian,
> > Just a thought. Might not be what you want to hear. If only one
> > > resistor is burnt out and they are in parallel as a 0.33 ohm for
>
> > > current sensing then the machine should run, but overload sense
>
> at
> > > half load. So either BOTH resistors have failed or there is
> > > something else failed too.
> > > John
> > > --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ian Fletcher
> > > <ian.fletcher@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for advice, resistors ordered at cost of ?,??1 so if
> that is
> > > all that is wrong I shall have saved ?,??84 !! Thanks for your
> > > interest and support. Ian
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: born4something <ajs@>
> > > > >Date: Fri Mar 30 08:07:03 GMT 2007
> > > > >To: 7x12minilathe@...
> > > > >Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > 66 ohms sounds a bit high. You may have tricked people with
>
> that
> > > > > space between the R and 66. Electronics types often use the
>
> > > prefix
> > > > > as a decimal point (like 1k2 means 1.2k-ohms) and when there
>
> is
> > > no
> > > > > prefix they just insert the base symbol, R. So R66 is likely
>
> > > 0.66
> > > > > ohms. It's a convenient notation and avoids using those
> little
> > > dots
> > > > > that don't print clearly and are often multiplied when
> > > photocopying
> > > > > stuff!
> > > > > Check the other resistor. If it is 0.66 ohms I'd expect
> quite a
> > > > > reasonable reading in circuit without even unsoldering it as
>
> the
> > > > > surrounding components are unlikely to be anywhere near as
> low
> > > as
> > > > > that. If they are, it's likely a failed FET or triac,
> depending
> > > on
> > > > > your model.
> > > > > John
> > > > > --- In 7x12minilathe@..., andrew franks
> <andyf1108@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looks as though it might be: 5W = 5 watts, R66 = 66 ohm.
> Not
> > > sure
> > > > > about the J, though - could represent a tolerance (as in
> plus or
> > > > > minus a certain percentage from the marked resistance
> value).
> > > > > However, 66 ohms isn't a standard "preffered" value - 68
> ohms
> > > is,
> > > > > though. Can you unsolder its twin, if it has identical
> markings,
> > > and
> > > > > check it? If it is 66 ohms, you may have to use a couple of
>
> 33
> > > ohm
> > > > > ones, and connect them in series (though if you use 68 ohms,
>
> > > it's
> > > > > probably close enough).
> > > > > > As to wattage, if you can't get 5 watts from Maplin or
> > > > > somewhere, get the next size up.
> > > > > > I wonder what made it burn out, though? Hopefully, it
> was
> > > > > something simple like a short circuit caused by swarf.
> > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > ftr1d <ian.fletcher@> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, I have just purchased a 240 volt Clarke 300m
>
> > > with a
> > > > > dead circuit
> > > > > > board. A new board will cost ?,??85 so I am looking to
> repair
> > > it. The
> > > > > only
> > > > > > fault I can see is a blown ceramic block, one of a pair,
> which
> > > is
> > > > > > marked 5WR 66J and is in R1 position on the board. I
> assume it
> > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > creamic resistor? Does anyone have a circuit diagram or
> can
> > > give
> > > > > me the
> > > > > > specification of the part. Thanks Ian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive
> > > emailing.
> > > > > Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play
> games
> > > and
> > > > > win prizes.
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to check out for small
> mills and lathes.
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Re: circuit board diagram

AnaLog Services, Inc.
 

Mike:

You can do it just fine. I struggled thru it years ago with no ill effects. It is just a matter of keeping track of the changes you make, and making logical iterations till it is as good as is practicable.

Syd

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Taglieri
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram


I'm beginning to think boosting Rabid's business isn't such a bad idea.
Uncle Rabid, how much would you charge to take my controller, beef up all
the crap circuit-board parts and tweak the pots for maximum safe torque
and minimum safe speed, i.e, the way the Chinese would have done if they
gave a shit? (And do you need just the controller box, or my motor
also?)

I'm normally an extremely do-it-yourself kind of guy, but the more I read
here about adjusting your controller at home, the less sure I am of doing
it right without frying something. I'd rather let someone do it who
knows how and stick to the machining that I'm good at.

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"

On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:26:17 -0000 "born4something"
<ajs@...> writes:
> Hi Ian,
>
> I'd be talking more to Uncle Rabid before looking to buy a new
> board. He's the local oracle and repairs them for a living. He's
> strangely generous with his advice around here given that he could
> just play his cards close and boost his business. I think he
> actually likes being helpful! If he can't talk you through he'll fix
>
> it for you for a pretty reasonable fee anyway.
>
> The other reason for running things past Uncle is that he deals with
>
> most (all?) the variants on these controllers. Most of us only
> experience one or two of them. Some are FET based and others SCR.
> Some use relays and others don't. Mine has no relays but those 5-pin
>
> blocks are sounding like 24V coil relays. Two for the coil and three
>
> for the changeover contact set.
>
> John
>
>
> --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ian Fletcher
> <ian.fletcher@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John, thanks for the warning. I was unable to get a reading off
>
> the second resistor so have ordered two. Visually I cannot find any
>
> damage to the board or components apart from what looks like
> mechanical damage to one of the two square yellow blocks marked
> HR54H-S-DC24V which seem to have 5 legs, which I take to be voltage
>
> convertors? As you can see although capable of soldering and
> unsoldering small components I am not always able to identify what
> they are!! If I do need to bite the bullet and buy a new board are
> they all the same from different manufacturers? I know Clarke lathes
>
> are more expensive that others and wondered if the circuit board
> would be cheaper from other makers. Thanks Ian
> > -----Original Message-----
> > >From: born4something <ajs@...>
> > >Date: Sun Apr 01 08:02:37 GMT 2007
> > >To: 7x12minilathe@...
> > >Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram
> >
> > > Hi Ian,
> > Just a thought. Might not be what you want to hear. If only one
> > > resistor is burnt out and they are in parallel as a 0.33 ohm for
>
> > > current sensing then the machine should run, but overload sense
>
> at
> > > half load. So either BOTH resistors have failed or there is
> > > something else failed too.
> > > John
> > > --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ian Fletcher
> > > <ian.fletcher@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for advice, resistors ordered at cost of ?,??1 so if
> that is
> > > all that is wrong I shall have saved ?,??84 !! Thanks for your
> > > interest and support. Ian
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: born4something <ajs@>
> > > > >Date: Fri Mar 30 08:07:03 GMT 2007
> > > > >To: 7x12minilathe@...
> > > > >Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Ian,
> > > > > 66 ohms sounds a bit high. You may have tricked people with
>
> that
> > > > > space between the R and 66. Electronics types often use the
>
> > > prefix
> > > > > as a decimal point (like 1k2 means 1.2k-ohms) and when there
>
> is
> > > no
> > > > > prefix they just insert the base symbol, R. So R66 is likely
>
> > > 0.66
> > > > > ohms. It's a convenient notation and avoids using those
> little
> > > dots
> > > > > that don't print clearly and are often multiplied when
> > > photocopying
> > > > > stuff!
> > > > > Check the other resistor. If it is 0.66 ohms I'd expect
> quite a
> > > > > reasonable reading in circuit without even unsoldering it as
>
> the
> > > > > surrounding components are unlikely to be anywhere near as
> low
> > > as
> > > > > that. If they are, it's likely a failed FET or triac,
> depending
> > > on
> > > > > your model.
> > > > > John
> > > > > --- In 7x12minilathe@..., andrew franks
> <andyf1108@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looks as though it might be: 5W = 5 watts, R66 = 66 ohm.
> Not
> > > sure
> > > > > about the J, though - could represent a tolerance (as in
> plus or
> > > > > minus a certain percentage from the marked resistance
> value).
> > > > > However, 66 ohms isn't a standard "preffered" value - 68
> ohms
> > > is,
> > > > > though. Can you unsolder its twin, if it has identical
> markings,
> > > and
> > > > > check it? If it is 66 ohms, you may have to use a couple of
>
> 33
> > > ohm
> > > > > ones, and connect them in series (though if you use 68 ohms,
>
> > > it's
> > > > > probably close enough).
> > > > > > As to wattage, if you can't get 5 watts from Maplin or
> > > > > somewhere, get the next size up.
> > > > > > I wonder what made it burn out, though? Hopefully, it
> was
> > > > > something simple like a short circuit caused by swarf.
> > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > ftr1d <ian.fletcher@> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi, I have just purchased a 240 volt Clarke 300m
>
> > > with a
> > > > > dead circuit
> > > > > > board. A new board will cost ?,??85 so I am looking to
> repair
> > > it. The
> > > > > only
> > > > > > fault I can see is a blown ceramic block, one of a pair,
> which
> > > is
> > > > > > marked 5WR 66J and is in R1 position on the board. I
> assume it
> > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > creamic resistor? Does anyone have a circuit diagram or
> can
> > > give
> > > > > me the
> > > > > > specification of the part. Thanks Ian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: circuit board diagram

Michael Taglieri
 

I'm beginning to think boosting Rabid's business isn't such a bad idea.
Uncle Rabid, how much would you charge to take my controller, beef up all
the crap circuit-board parts and tweak the pots for maximum safe torque
and minimum safe speed, i.e, the way the Chinese would have done if they
gave a shit? (And do you need just the controller box, or my motor
also?)

I'm normally an extremely do-it-yourself kind of guy, but the more I read
here about adjusting your controller at home, the less sure I am of doing
it right without frying something. I'd rather let someone do it who
knows how and stick to the machining that I'm good at.

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"


On Mon, 02 Apr 2007 12:26:17 -0000 "born4something"
<ajs@...> writes:

Hi Ian,

I'd be talking more to Uncle Rabid before looking to buy a new
board. He's the local oracle and repairs them for a living. He's
strangely generous with his advice around here given that he could
just play his cards close and boost his business. I think he
actually likes being helpful! If he can't talk you through he'll fix

it for you for a pretty reasonable fee anyway.

The other reason for running things past Uncle is that he deals with

most (all?) the variants on these controllers. Most of us only
experience one or two of them. Some are FET based and others SCR.
Some use relays and others don't. Mine has no relays but those 5-pin

blocks are sounding like 24V coil relays. Two for the coil and three

for the changeover contact set.

John


--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ian Fletcher
<ian.fletcher@...> wrote:

Hi John, thanks for the warning. I was unable to get a reading off
the second resistor so have ordered two. Visually I cannot find any

damage to the board or components apart from what looks like
mechanical damage to one of the two square yellow blocks marked
HR54H-S-DC24V which seem to have 5 legs, which I take to be voltage

convertors? As you can see although capable of soldering and
unsoldering small components I am not always able to identify what
they are!! If I do need to bite the bullet and buy a new board are
they all the same from different manufacturers? I know Clarke lathes

are more expensive that others and wondered if the circuit board
would be cheaper from other makers. Thanks Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: born4something <ajs@...>
Date: Sun Apr 01 08:02:37 GMT 2007
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram
Hi Ian,
> Just a thought. Might not be what you want to hear. If only one
resistor is burnt out and they are in parallel as a 0.33 ohm for
current sensing then the machine should run, but overload sense
at
half load. So either BOTH resistors have failed or there is
something else failed too.
John
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Ian Fletcher
<ian.fletcher@> wrote:

Thanks for advice, resistors ordered at cost of ????1 so if
that is
all that is wrong I shall have saved ????84 !! Thanks for your
interest and support. Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: born4something <ajs@>
Date: Fri Mar 30 08:07:03 GMT 2007
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: circuit board diagram
Hi Ian,
66 ohms sounds a bit high. You may have tricked people with
that
space between the R and 66. Electronics types often use the
prefix
as a decimal point (like 1k2 means 1.2k-ohms) and when there
is
no
prefix they just insert the base symbol, R. So R66 is likely
0.66
ohms. It's a convenient notation and avoids using those
little
dots
that don't print clearly and are often multiplied when
photocopying
stuff!
Check the other resistor. If it is 0.66 ohms I'd expect
quite a
reasonable reading in circuit without even unsoldering it as
the
surrounding components are unlikely to be anywhere near as
low
as
that. If they are, it's likely a failed FET or triac,
depending
on
your model.
John
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., andrew franks
<andyf1108@>
wrote:

Looks as though it might be: 5W = 5 watts, R66 = 66 ohm.
Not
sure
about the J, though - could represent a tolerance (as in
plus or
minus a certain percentage from the marked resistance
value).
However, 66 ohms isn't a standard "preffered" value - 68
ohms
is,
though. Can you unsolder its twin, if it has identical
markings,
and
check it? If it is 66 ohms, you may have to use a couple of
33
ohm
ones, and connect them in series (though if you use 68 ohms,
it's
probably close enough).
As to wattage, if you can't get 5 watts from Maplin or
somewhere, get the next size up.
I wonder what made it burn out, though? Hopefully, it
was
something simple like a short circuit caused by swarf.
Andy
ftr1d <ian.fletcher@> wrote:
Hi, I have just purchased a 240 volt Clarke 300m
with a
dead circuit
board. A new board will cost ????85 so I am looking to
repair
it. The
only
fault I can see is a blown ceramic block, one of a pair,
which
is
marked 5WR 66J and is in R1 position on the board. I
assume it
is
a
creamic resistor? Does anyone have a circuit diagram or
can
give
me the
specification of the part. Thanks Ian






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Re: Control Board Ratings

 

G'day Ed.

The control boards have a current limit adjustment which sets the
maximum current which can be fed to the motor. I only have circuit
details of the board in my lathe (As available off the board
manufacturer's web site.) so I don't know how the current limit
function is achieved on other boards. I just know it is there from
articles about adjusting the minimum speed an earlier lathes.
Current limiting is necessary to prevent overheating of the motors,
inadvertent fuse blowing and demagnetisation of the field magnets.
As I said the board on my lathe is good for 6 amps (12 amps with
additional heatsink) so it is able to supply the motor without
limitation.
I am hoping Jim RabidWolfe can give some insight into what other types
of board can do.

Some of the boards do use pulse width modulation much as I imagine is
used by the stepper motor drive circuit. I many ways this is a more
modern technique than SCR phase control as used on my board. Your
stepper motor pulses would have a comparatively high voltage and short
duration to get the speed of response.

One good turn deserves another.
Regards,
Ian


Ian - So what does this mean - the board automatically limits current
to what it's set at? Is this similar to a 'chopper' circuit? The
control board I built for my CNC router allows me to set the current
for my stepper motors and run them at much higher voltages than
they're rated for.
Ed


Re: Control Board Ratings

 

BTW I fitted the "correct" Horsepower resitor to my control board
last night and now have adjusted it for 3.5 amps stall current. When
the stall load is applied the current rises to 4.5 amps then
immediately swings back to 3.5 amps.
Ian - So what does this mean - the board automatically limits current
to what it's set at? Is this similar to a 'chopper' circuit? The
control board I built for my CNC router allows me to set the current
for my stepper motors and run them at much higher voltages than
they're rated for.
Ed


Flickr Groups

Mike Payson
 

I wanted to let everyone know about three Flickr groups I've created:





Flickr has a number of advantages over the Yahoo photo page since it
has virtually unlimited storage & a very useful annotation feature
(roll your mouse over the photo at

to see what I mean). Photos can also be tagged so they can be
searched. For example, searching for minimill and beltdrive would find
the above photo and the others in the series.

The groups are public, so anyone can browse the photos, but you must
join the group to post photos to it. Not to mention, no more having to
login to Yahoo just to look at a photo!

Flickr is owned by Yahoo, the same username & password that you use to
login to Yahoo groups will work for it as well. I encourage everyone
to join whichever groups apply to you!


Re: Deep Hole .218 x 8"

taurokm3
 

You are right, A gun barrel is hard to drill. I would love to be able
to buy a deep hole rig and the bits, but if I could afford that, I
wouldn't need to ask questions. Not to mention, it would not fit in
my upstairs spare bed-room turned machine shop. I am in the process
of building a rifling machine, which will only ream and rifle. I am
debating trying to build a tiny hook cutter, or to make a stepped
rifling reamer. The reamer is a tad more complicated, but at this
small size, probably a better choice than a tiny hook cutter. BTW are
you a Lilja from the Lilja barrel folks?
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Pete Lilja" <plilja@...> wrote:

A gun barrel is not an easy thing to drill accurately. Some rather
specialized machinery is utilized.

Granted yours is a short barrel but take a look around here for some
ideas as to how they're made:

Specifically look here:


It is my understanding that a gun drill is a special lathe with a
hollow drill (not a twist bit by any means) that floods the cutting
edge with lots of oil for lubrication, cooling and chip removal.

There is an awful lot of info on rifles, shooting and some on barrel
making on the web site above. The barrel is rather critical in the
performance of the gun. I wouldn't attempt one on a mini-lathe myself.

How do you plan to rifle the barrel?


----- Original Message -----
From: taurokm3
To: 7x12minilathe@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: [7x12minilathe] Re: Deep Hole .218 x 8"


The material is 4140 Steel, and it will go in the chuck, it would go
through the spindle, but I have no way to clamp it to the face plate.
This is going to be a gun barrel. It is .770" diameter and 8
inches long (total), with a tip that is 1" x .950" I am thinking of
building some v notched clamps out of aluminum that would bolt to the
faceplate, with notches for the bolts so I can center the stock. It
has been suggested that I weld a standard bit to a length of drill rod
with a V and use that, I just don't know what kind of hole that would
give me.
Thanks
Doug

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "John" <John@> wrote:
>
> Are you drilling this hole into material that can be held in the
lathe
> chuck? Material dimensions and the material type would be
helpful info.
>
> The technique is straight forward (but tedious) if the material fits
> in the chuck. Best situation is if the material fits through the
> spindle, of course.
>
> John
>
>
>
> --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "taurokm3" <grimjack@> wrote:
> >
> > Any one have any thoughts on the best way to go about a deep hole
> > without buying a deep hole rig? I am currently experimenting
with a
> > home made drill, .175 x 11" shank with a .218 x 1" head, and I
want to
> > mill it to a flat on top and bottom, then sharpen it like a twist
> > drill. I know it will need cleared frequently, and a lot of lube.
> > BTW, I am using oil hardening drill rod for the bit. Any one
have any
> > other ideas?
> >
>





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Re: knurling

 

CJ, go to Then click on Premium Content.
You'll have to pay $4.95 (I think) and there you will find an
excellent education on the knurling. I paid for unlimited access to
the Premium Content because it is a wonder source of both instrucitons
and projects. Also, the free portion of that Web site provides about
the best education on the mini-lathe there is anywhere.

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "cjwires" <cjwarchitects@...> wrote:

hi, I am a new "enthusiast" to the mini machine world. Can anyone
point me to some basic
info about how to use a knurling tool on the mini lathe? thanks, CJ


Re: knurling

 

See the 7x12 Files section, FAQ which has a basic overview in the
section on Knurling. That may get you going, if not post back with
specific questions.

John



--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "cjwires" <cjwarchitects@...> wrote:

hi, I am a new "enthusiast" to the mini machine world. Can anyone
point me to some basic
info about how to use a knurling tool on the mini lathe? thanks, CJ


Free Shipping from Enco

 

I just got this email from Enco and thought I'd share it...
Ed

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or more in merchandise from Enco.

Take advantage of this exclusive offer by entering WBARN7 in the promo
code box on the shopping cart page at use-enco.com, or mention the
code when you call 800-USE-ENCO and speak to a friendly sales
associate. Hurry, this offer expires Monday, April 30th, 2007, so act
today!


Control Board Ratings

 

G'day Jim, et al

Jim I look to your comments on the current capacities of the various
control boards used in the 7x lathes. I am posting on the group
because the outcome of the discussion effects others on the group.

For my lathe this is not a concern, the KB Electronics board fitted
has capacity for motors up to 1.0HP or can supply 9 amps. KB advised
me that my 400W (180Volt) motor with full load current of 2.2 amps
can have a current limit setting of 3.5 amps

HOWEVER, other control boards may not be so generaously rated and
some recent correspondence implies that the boards are limiting the
available current to the motors. In that the motors have an
overcurrent capacity of up to 2 times the full load current it seems
unlikely to me that the SCRs on FETs would be so minimally rated that
more than full load current can be supplied. (Making gibes
about "Chinese Horse Power" is not helpful).

BTW I fitted the "correct" Horsepower resitor to my control board
last night and now have adjusted it for 3.5 amps stall current. When
the stall load is applied the current rises to 4.5 amps then
immediately swings back to 3.5 amps.

One good turn deserves another.
Regards,
Ian


Re: Database of past messages

 

G'day Patrice, et al.

I have just looked ate the "Data Base" web site; it contains
excellent material.
Thanks for letting it be known.

One good turn deserves another.
Regards,
Ian

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "borenson444" <strempe4@...>
wrote:

Thanks all for the replies. I am glad to know that this could help.

Ian, the database (loose use of the term) is located on my personal
website for ease of use. Here is the addy:



It is HTML based for ease of use and downloading (Yahoo is great but
sadly a little lacking in this department ;-).

I'll wait for the ok from the owner of this group.

Thanks again

Patrice


knurling

 

hi, I am a new "enthusiast" to the mini machine world. Can anyone point me to some basic
info about how to use a knurling tool on the mini lathe? thanks, CJ


Re: Database of past messages

 

Thanks all for the replies. I am glad to know that this could help.

Ian, the database (loose use of the term) is located on my personal
website for ease of use. Here is the addy:



It is HTML based for ease of use and downloading (Yahoo is great but
sadly a little lacking in this department ;-).

I'll wait for the ok from the owner of this group.

Thanks again

Patrice


Re: Deep Hole .218 x 8"

 

The best description I've seen for accurately drilling a deep hole was
posted by Peter S in the following thread:


In case that link doesn't work, go here:


And search for: Drilling a Long Straight Hole

The post by PeterS on page 2 of the thread has the info. If you can't
find it write to me via email and I'll send it.

This approach will need to be adapted for the smaller hole you're
drilling but this should be possible. I believe you could make and
use D bits rather than purchase special reamers, a cost vs time tradeoff.

John






--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "taurokm3" <grimjack@...> wrote:

The material is 4140 Steel, and it will go in the chuck, it would go
through the spindle, but I have no way to clamp it to the face plate.
This is going to be a gun barrel. It is .770" diameter and 8
inches long (total), with a tip that is 1" x .950" I am thinking of
building some v notched clamps out of aluminum that would bolt to the
faceplate, with notches for the bolts so I can center the stock. It
has been suggested that I weld a standard bit to a length of drill rod
with a V and use that, I just don't know what kind of hole that would
give me.
Thanks
Doug

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "John" <John@> wrote:

Are you drilling this hole into material that can be held in the lathe
chuck? Material dimensions and the material type would be helpful
info.

The technique is straight forward (but tedious) if the material fits
in the chuck. Best situation is if the material fits through the
spindle, of course.

John



--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "taurokm3" <grimjack@> wrote:

Any one have any thoughts on the best way to go about a deep hole
without buying a deep hole rig? I am currently experimenting with a
home made drill, .175 x 11" shank with a .218 x 1" head, and I
want to
mill it to a flat on top and bottom, then sharpen it like a twist
drill. I know it will need cleared frequently, and a lot of
lube.
BTW, I am using oil hardening drill rod for the bit. Any one
have any
other ideas?