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I purchased the wood rest package from LMS also. Most of the time I put a round bar in the tool post since it is quick and most of the time I am just putting the final contours on the piece being worked on. Here is a photo:

John

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "barryvabeach"
<barryvabeach@...> wrote:

Vikki, I took some poor pictures and they are posted here with some
notes

Quite good, gives me a real good idea of how to improve this, err,
thing :-)!

If you have any questions let me know. In fairness to LMS, the spur
center is very nice. If I want to do something quick though, I
just somewhat round one end and put it in the chuck and put the
other end up against the live center and turn the end near the live
center round, then put that end in the chuck and it works out pretty
well. Barry

Looked at that last night and I like your idea here, removing the
chuck is a bit of a job.

I putzed around with it all last night and came up with a work around.
Some strap clamps that I had the impression were small enough for the
micro-mill (huge in reality) that I gave someone who forgot to take
them with him :-) worked out pretty well for jacking the whole
assembly up enough to get the tool rest down enough not to wobble for
the time being and up on spindle center! The original bolt for the
QCTP worked out well to hold it together.

About a 3/4" spacer block would probably be better, but you would
still have to completely remove the tool post to rotate it.

Seems pretty solid, but I have limited confidence in that roll pin
attachment for the rest itself, we'll see. I think the support shaft
might be better fitted than the one you have.

Added some pix of the fix to the page:



Thanks very much for sharing your fix, I'll probably replace this
kluge I came up with with something along the lines of what you did.

Take care, Vikki.

Vikki, I took some poor pictures and they are posted here with some
notes


If you have any questions let me know. In fairness to LMS, the spur
center is very nice. If I want to do something quick though, I just
somewhat round one end and put it in the chuck and put the other end up
against the live center and turn the end near the live center round,
then put that end in the chuck and it works out pretty well. Barry

Hi,

What might be missed is that the motor is running unloaded. While it is not at all unusual to run the motor for minutes at a time, the temp rise for an unloaded motor running continuously for 1 hour is interesting.

Best regards,
DBN


houe2005 <houe2005@...> wrote:
As others have pointed out this really doesn't seem out of the norm.
Remember what might seem hot to us is just getting warmed up for
electronics. Hot water at about 130F can burn skin yet most
electronics are capable of running just fine up to 185F or higher. I
had a motor once that was thermally kicking off to save itself and
that thing was HOT!

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "druid_noibn" <druid_noibn@...>
wrote:

Hi All,

For those who might find it "interesting" – I noticed the motor of
the HF 8x12-14 was a tad warm and thought a check was in order.

With a motor and ambient temp of 65F the lathe was turned on – no
metal turning. The probe was located on the upper part of the motor
housing, between the motor body and the junction box.

Without noting all of the readings, in the course of:
13 minutes – temp rise 39.3F;
30 minutes – 49.7F;
46 minutes – 58.1F;
63 minutes – 63F – shut-down motor
66 minutes – 65.7F

I didn't run the motor unloaded yet.

So the motor runs hot - an auxiliary fan might be in order.

Take care,
DBN

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Chris, a postscript. Warco's stand is expensive for what you get, so save your money and make a wooden one. No need for massive timber - the lathe is probably lighter than you are, and chairlegs are quite slender. 2x2 would be more than adequate. And think twice before getting the vertical slide. I rather regret buying mine. As it comes, you can't attach a machine vice or other fixings to the front without a lot of overhang. Put the money towards the milling machine which you will soon begin wanting.
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:25:41 -0000 "houe2005" <houe2005@...>
writes:

Remember what might seem hot to us is just getting warmed up for

electronics.

People make the same mistake with oil temperatures. I have a Norton
motorcycle whose dry-sump engine holds the engine oil in a separate tank.
Fellow owners on Internet groups are always fitting oil coolers on these
bikes because they feel the oil tank and "it feels so hot." But it's not
hot by engine standards -- 200??? or so is normal operating temperature for
oil a warmed-up engine.

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"

Before I made a quick-adjusting toolpost, I kept a vitamin bottle full of
old feeler gauge blades. Select an assortment of blades, scrap sheet
metal, or whatever that give you the adjustment you want and KEEP IT WITH
THE TOOL, held with a rubber band. Then whenever you put that tool in
the holder, the shimming is all ready.

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

Everyone has his reasons.
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:18:55 -0000 "Damon Wascom" <kc5cqw@...>
writes:

Hello Barry,

Thanks VERY much for your response!

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "barryvabeach"
<barryvabeach@...> wrote:

Vikki, I bought it and was not very pleased. As you saw, I could
never get it to the right height. Plus the tool rest was not rigidly
attached to the round bar portion of the post which controls
elevation.

Noticed that it was just stuck together with a roll pin, how long that
would hold up while rounding off square stock, I don't know.

My first attempt was to fabricate a wooden block to fit
on the top and inside of the tool rest and tapped the rest and that
fixed the height problem.

I am considering that approach too, a reasonably easy fix. Jacking up
the tool post itself by a half inch doesn't seem to be a real good idea.

The rest still jumped around in use so I
drilled lengthwise from top to bottom through the rest and the post
and inserted a machine screw ( with the nut on the bottom ) and that
worked to make it more rigid.

If I put the support rod down far enough and crank down on that
retaining screw, so far it seems stable enough.

The slop in the assembly itself was what was inspiring me to think
about making a replacement support rod. Bottom would fit the hole and
the top could at least be a press fit.

I grew unhappy with the way the rest
attached to the tool post

That does indeed suck. At least it gives a use for the original tool
post since it won't fit in the QCTP (probably too heavy for that
anyway). Having had it for all of a couple hours now, it seems like a
very poorly thought out design overall.

and ended up making a very simple board
that clamps to the ways and mounted the tool post in that.

If you might have pix of that, I'd sure appreciate seeing it.

I am not
sure what you are asking when you asked about thread on the center.

After getting the red glop off it, it appears to be a jam fit into the
spindle, no draw bar needed.

Good luck with your mods.

Thanks!

This thing is not a wood lathe, but will probably do for smallish
projects.

I'm less than pleased with this too. Shipping it back is more trouble
and expense than it is worth :-(.

I think the solution to this is, that if one wants to do wood turning
one gets a real wood lathe :-).

Will probably do until I figure out something better.

Thanks & take care, Vikki.

Vikki, I bought it and was not very pleased. As you saw, I could
never get it to the right height. Plus the tool rest was not rigidly
attached to the round bar portion of the post which controls
elevation. My first attempt was to fabricate a wooden block to fit
on the top and inside of the tool rest and tapped the rest and that
fixed the height problem. The rest still jumped around in use so I
drilled lengthwise from top to bottom through the rest and the post
and inserted a machine screw ( with the nut on the bottom ) and that
worked to make it more rigid. I grew unhappy with the way the rest
attached to the tool post and ended up making a very simple board
that clamps to the ways and mounted the tool post in that. I am not
sure what you are asking when you asked about thread on the center.
Good luck with your mods.








--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "wrlabs" <wrlabs@...> wrote:

I ordered the wood turning tool rest kit from LMS (we'll avoid
mentioning the nightmare getting it from UPS):

ProductID=1685&category=

Granted, wood turning is new to me and I *am* fairly clueless, but

it

seems that the actual tool rest itself won't go up to more than

about

.425 below spindle center without the post wobbling. From all I

have

read so far, I want this on spindle center to do scraping before I

do

other things to learn and be less dangerous.



Not sure if I need to either shim up the toolpost or make up a
replacement pin for the tool rest itself to get near spindle center?

Also, anyone know what the thread on the center that comes with it

is?

Not planning on doing a lot of wood stuff with the lathe, but in the
process of making "simple syrup" I ended up with rock candy and

broke

the honey "spoon" and wanted to make a replacement myself :-).

Seemed

like an handy thing to have in case I do want to make anything out

of

wood.

Any thoughts appreciated!

Thanks & take care, Vikki.

As others have pointed out this really doesn't seem out of the norm.
Remember what might seem hot to us is just getting warmed up for
electronics. Hot water at about 130F can burn skin yet most
electronics are capable of running just fine up to 185F or higher. I
had a motor once that was thermally kicking off to save itself and
that thing was HOT!

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "druid_noibn" <druid_noibn@...>
wrote:

Hi All,

For those who might find it "interesting" – I noticed the motor of
the HF 8x12-14 was a tad warm and thought a check was in order.

With a motor and ambient temp of 65F the lathe was turned on – no
metal turning. The probe was located on the upper part of the motor
housing, between the motor body and the junction box.

Without noting all of the readings, in the course of:
13 minutes – temp rise 39.3F;
30 minutes – 49.7F;
46 minutes – 58.1F;
63 minutes – 63F – shut-down motor
66 minutes – 65.7F

I didn't run the motor unloaded yet.

So the motor runs hot - an auxiliary fan might be in order.

Take care,
DBN

I ordered the wood turning tool rest kit from LMS (we'll avoid
mentioning the nightmare getting it from UPS):



Granted, wood turning is new to me and I *am* fairly clueless, but it
seems that the actual tool rest itself won't go up to more than about
.425 below spindle center without the post wobbling. From all I have
read so far, I want this on spindle center to do scraping before I do
other things to learn and be less dangerous.



Not sure if I need to either shim up the toolpost or make up a
replacement pin for the tool rest itself to get near spindle center?

Also, anyone know what the thread on the center that comes with it is?

Not planning on doing a lot of wood stuff with the lathe, but in the
process of making "simple syrup" I ended up with rock candy and broke
the honey "spoon" and wanted to make a replacement myself :-). Seemed
like an handy thing to have in case I do want to make anything out of
wood.

Any thoughts appreciated!

Thanks & take care, Vikki.

Hi Ian,

The motor runs fine, just a bit hot which appears "normal" for this motor. All the connections are fine.

When I worked in a Standards Lab we would do these measures, but I'll leave that for a future project (not really...<smile>).

Thanks,
DBN

steam4ian <fosterscons@...> wrote:
G'day DBN & Mike.
The temperatures you have recorded do not seem unduely high. You need
to remember that the insulation is most likely rated for 90 degC.
(161 degF) temperture rise, this is typical of modern electrical
materials.
First question. Does the motor pass the smell test? There may be a
sweet oily solvent smell, thats normal, but an acidic or acrid smell
indicates trouble.
Question 2: Do the terminals get hotter than the rating of the
connecting cable insulation? The connecting cables with PVC
insulation generally have a temperature rating of at least 75 deg.C.
After extended running and with the motor disconnected at the wall
outlet, measure the terminal temperature (you can get temperature
marker crayons but a finger will do). Note, higher temperature rated
cables are often used for machinery wiring, often rated to 110 deg.C;
this grade of wire is used in fluorescent luminaires.

The only reliable winding temperature measurement is to measure the
winding resistances when cold and hot and compute the temperature
difference. Handbook type advice would generally assume this means of
measurement.

I would suggest that if the motor does not smell bad, the terminal
temperature is less then the connecting cables insulation temperature
limits and the surface temperature of the motor case does not create
a fire hazard then all is well.

Always keep flammable materials, dusts and fluff away from the motor
and ensure the air flow is unrestricted. Then if the motor does give
up you only have to replace the motor not your house. This is good
advice for any electrical equipment!!

One good turn deserves another
Regards,
Ian

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., Druid Noibn <druid_noibn@...>
wrote:

Hi Mike,

I have a handbook and will look at it later.

I would gather it has more to do with the classification of the

motor. I've worked on a few motors and drive systems over the last
40 years or so and these run a tad hot. Of course, they "might" be
rated as such. Also, as noted, they typically run for short
durations.

The data were posted for all to have.

Thanks!

Take care,
DBN

Michael Taglieri <miket--nyc@...> wrote:
My copy isn't handy so I can't confirm this, but I think

there's a

section on electric motors and their acceptable temperature rise in
Machinery's Handbook.

Mike Taglieri miket--nyc@...

The belts were removed but the

stock pulley was left on. The motor had unobstructed airflow and
should be considered "new." The ambient temp was 61.2F (16.2C).

05 min. – 12.1F (6.7C) rise
10 min. – 25.0F (13.9C)
15 min. – 35.6F (19.8C)
20 min. – 42.4F (23.6C)
30 min. – 53.0F (29.4C)
40 min. – 58.9F (32.7C)
50 min. – 62.2F (34.6C)
60 min. – 64.3F (35.7C)

The probe was located on the upper part of the

motor

housing, between the motor body and the junction box.

Without noting all of the readings, in the course of:
13 minutes – temp rise 39.3F;
30 minutes – 49.7F;
46 minutes – 58.1F;
63 minutes – 63F – shut-down motor
66 minutes – 65.7F

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OK, Chris, go for it. If you want to look at one first, I'm in South Manchester. I can let you have pics of one or two mods I've made - if you want them, email me direct, because they won't be of sufficient general interest to post among the photos on here. Oh, and if you get one with an imperial leadscrew, I can let you have set-ups for the supplied gears which will screwcut more metric threads, and with more accuracy, than the manufacturer's suggestions, and cut BA pitches too, if required.
Andy

mozziesplat <katiechris4evr@...> wrote:
Hi Andy had a look on the Warco website and the wm180 looks good
value considering the standard accessories you get with it, plus
also it comes with tapered roller bearings in the headstock spindle
wich from what I can gather is worth having...
Chris..

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., andrew franks <andyf1108@...>
wrote:

Hello Chris and Ian,
Don't worry about the name, Ian - I'll answer to anything.
My "Warco WM180" is 7x 12, and shares a lot of features (saddle

and everything above it) with a regular mini-lathe. It's twice as
heavy, though - turns the scales at 11 stones (for US readers, there
are 14 lbs to a stone, and for Aussies and those influenced by
Napoleon it's 70kg). So, though the bed is more massive, it isn't
exactly portable. From what I read in this group, it shares some of
the features - or rather lack of them - of 8 x and 9 x machines.
Notably, there's no tumbler reverse, but I'm working on that with
some components which arrived with commendable speed from both LMS
and ArcEuroTrade (LMS got them across the pond within 7 days, and
AET got them to me by post 20 hours after my order)).

So, Chris, unless like me you are retired and can spend time on

accessorising machine tools, I reckon you might be better getting a
standard mini-lathe. I get the feeling that there are fewer
complaints about the Sieg machines bought in the UK from people like
Chester than about those bought in the US, but I may be wrong.

Andy

steam4ian <fosterscons@...> wrote:
G'day Chris.
CORRECTION. The guy was Andy Franks not Alan. My apologies Andy.
One good trun deserves another.
Regards,
Ian
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "steam4ian" <fosterscons@>
wrote:

G'day Chris.
Have a look at the machines close-up if you can. A guy named

Alan

from the UK sent me a picture of his lathe, I think it was a

Chester,

and it had some significant improvements over the "standard"

Sieg.

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It sounds like I should probably just save them up for the salvage yard
after all.

Thanks for the info!
Mike

Rutland Tool & Supply and Wholesale Tool are two other good internet tool stores.
Gregor Stransky, San Antonio, Texas

Hi Mike,

I am into aluminium casting. The problems with swarf and chips is
that they high a high surface area and when you try to melt them you
end up with a lot of dross (oxide) and very little metal.
Industrially they would compact the chips and melt under an inert
atmosphere to avoid these problems. The same goes for drinks cans.
The metal is so thin that you end up with musch dross and very little
usable metal.
There are many aluminium alloys and they are compatible. However,
most turning alloys are not ideal for casting. It can be done but it
is much easier to cast proper casting alloys that contain a high
silicon content to give good fluidity. Drink cans are nearly pure
aluminium and the metal is very soft when cast.
Iron is small quantities is not too much of a problem although if too
much gets into the alloy it forms hard intermetallics that make the
metal brittle and very wearing on lathe tools. Many amateurs melt
aluminium in mild steel crucibles and get good results.

If you want to separate aluminium and steel try using a magnet. Free
machining steel make small chips that is easy to separate with a
magnet but once you get curly swarf mixed it is almost impossible to
separate different types easily.

I do not think there is so much of a problem regarding hazardous
fumes in melting aluminium swarf as long as you don't contaminate it
with plastic swarf. PTFE swarf produces highly toxic decomposition
products, PVC is also hazardous.

I hope this is useful

Mike
Kingsley, UK

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Mike Payson" <mike@...> wrote:

Ok, I finally got a lathe, & I'm finally starting to make some

chips (and

that's about it, for now at least!). So once I make the chips, what

do I do

with them? For the amount I'll be producing, it seems like more

bother then

it's worth to haul them to the recycler & get pennies on the dollar

back

from what I paid for it. Since I mostly work with Aluminum, I'm

thinking a

better use would be to save them to trying casting at some point

down the

road. I'm assuming that I don't need to worry to much about mixing

various

aluminum alloys, but do I need to be concerned about the occasional

steel or

other metal chips? I can try to separate them, but I'm sure at

least a few

will get into the aluminum bin. Will they cause problems? How about

the

lubricants & coolants? I'm guessing that they'll just burn off, but

I'm not

certain. Obviously I'll be doing the casting outside, so I'm not

terribly

concerned about burning the small amounts of chemicals that would be
present. Should I be?

Thanks!
Mike


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ENCO is a good tool store ,they have many all steel tools at low prices. Good Luck ,Fred

harleyknall <knall@...> wrote: I am doing light gun barrel work, just need to reduce outside
diameter over a 4" area, and thread it over a 1" area.
Its an 8.5" long x 3/4" thick barrel. Sound like this baby will
do the trick?
Also whats a good website to but tooling for it?






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They're actually very common in the states now - GMA3 fuses (5x20mm) are the
most commonly used in NEW equipment. (Even the small portion still
manufactured in the US)

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For Asian Mini Lathes and Mini Mills
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Ok, I finally got a lathe, & I'm finally starting to make some chips (and
that's about it, for now at least!). So once I make the chips, what do I do
with them? For the amount I'll be producing, it seems like more bother then
it's worth to haul them to the recycler & get pennies on the dollar back
from what I paid for it. Since I mostly work with Aluminum, I'm thinking a
better use would be to save them to trying casting at some point down the
road. I'm assuming that I don't need to worry to much about mixing various
aluminum alloys, but do I need to be concerned about the occasional steel or
other metal chips? I can try to separate them, but I'm sure at least a few
will get into the aluminum bin. Will they cause problems? How about the
lubricants & coolants? I'm guessing that they'll just burn off, but I'm not
certain. Obviously I'll be doing the casting outside, so I'm not terribly
concerned about burning the small amounts of chemicals that would be
present. Should I be?

Thanks!
Mike

Hi Andy had a look on the Warco website and the wm180 looks good
value considering the standard accessories you get with it, plus
also it comes with tapered roller bearings in the headstock spindle
wich from what I can gather is worth having...
Chris..

--- In 7x12minilathe@..., andrew franks <andyf1108@...>
wrote:

Hello Chris and Ian,
Don't worry about the name, Ian - I'll answer to anything.
My "Warco WM180" is 7x 12, and shares a lot of features (saddle

and everything above it) with a regular mini-lathe. It's twice as
heavy, though - turns the scales at 11 stones (for US readers, there
are 14 lbs to a stone, and for Aussies and those influenced by
Napoleon it's 70kg). So, though the bed is more massive, it isn't
exactly portable. From what I read in this group, it shares some of
the features - or rather lack of them - of 8 x and 9 x machines.
Notably, there's no tumbler reverse, but I'm working on that with
some components which arrived with commendable speed from both LMS
and ArcEuroTrade (LMS got them across the pond within 7 days, and
AET got them to me by post 20 hours after my order)).

So, Chris, unless like me you are retired and can spend time on

accessorising machine tools, I reckon you might be better getting a
standard mini-lathe. I get the feeling that there are fewer
complaints about the Sieg machines bought in the UK from people like
Chester than about those bought in the US, but I may be wrong.

Andy

steam4ian <fosterscons@...> wrote:
G'day Chris.
CORRECTION. The guy was Andy Franks not Alan. My apologies Andy.
One good trun deserves another.
Regards,
Ian
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "steam4ian" <fosterscons@>
wrote:

G'day Chris.
Have a look at the machines close-up if you can. A guy named

Alan

from the UK sent me a picture of his lathe, I think it was a

Chester,

and it had some significant improvements over the "standard"

Sieg.

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