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Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

Sounds great till there is war.
Just ask Japanese in WW2?
There where buying from America.??

Dave?

Note the brand of mill the guy is using?




Bruce J
2:34pm? ?
They have been making very good acoustic guitars in Mexico for a very very long time; there’s a substantial home market for them.
My 2010 Jetta TDI Sportwagen was made in Mexico and it’s proven really well made; The most expensive repairs I've had done (other than fixing the cheater diesel issue, for which VW gave me back ?rd of the original cost) has been a front ball joint that was replaced prophylactically because of a torn boot on the joint probably let grit into it.
China CAN make very very good machine tools; not everything is ‘chinesium’; everything CHEAP is though, and guess what this list is about :-)
On Mar 19, 2024, at 2:22 PM, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
yep . I was with a but lookin to buy a Martin a few years back & after 2 trips to the guitar store we had them narrowed down to 5 . So we go back on the third day & he finally makes the decision which one . Gets up to the register & that's when he saw the paperwork with Made in Mexico . He didn't want one made on Mexico & I can hang with that but we went back to the " good guitar room " & he made his new decision almost purely on USA/Mexico . The one he ended up with would not have been my first choice but it is becoming a nice playable guitar , it's still learning it's tone . I still think the one from Mexico sounded a lot better to me , I finally quit telling him that after I said in from of his wife one day & she ripped him pretty god for that after I left . I know plenty of parents that went to Guitar Center ( which I loathe ) to buy their kid a guitar for Christmas or birthday & then find out later that the guitar was made in Japan or Mexico . Their still nice playable guitars but American see's Fender Guitars as a American company & that's what they expect when they purchase .
animal
On 3/19/24 2:10 PM, Ralph Lehotsky wrote:
A lot of Martin guitars are now made in Mexico!!
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ralphie
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Bruce Johnson
The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.
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mike allen
2:22pm? ?
yep . I was with a but lookin to buy a Martin a few years back & after 2 trips to the guitar store we had them narrowed down to 5 . So we go back on the third day & he finally makes the decision which one . Gets up to the register & that's when he saw the paperwork with Made in Mexico . He didn't want one made on Mexico & I can hang with that but we went back to the " good guitar room " & he made his new decision almost purely on USA/Mexico . The one he ended up with would not have been my first choice but it is becoming a nice playable guitar , it's still learning it's tone . I still think the one from Mexico sounded a lot better to me , I finally quit telling him that after I said in from of his wife one day & she ripped him pretty god for that after I left . I know plenty of parents that went to Guitar Center ( which I loathe ) to buy their kid a guitar for Christmas or birthday & then find out later that the guitar was made in Japan or Mexico . Their still nice playable guitars but American see's Fender Guitars as a American company & that's what they expect when they purchase .
animal
On 3/19/24 2:10 PM, Ralph Lehotsky wrote:
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A lot of Martin guitars are now made in Mexico!!
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mike allen
12:35pm? ?
Pawn shops can be yer friend .
animal
On 3/19/24 9:30 AM, chrisser via groups.io wrote:
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mike allen
12:34pm? ?
The thing to keep in mind with MrPete is he is very direct & as far as I can tell I have never seen him hold back on anything which can be a good thing. He is very strong in his opinions as are many here my self included . I think his opinions come from living in a area that he has seen himself in person so many companies go over to the dark side & then dissapear . This one is a bit closer to him I think , ya can kinda see it in his eyes . I have friends that have sold/given away things that they were very proud of just because the manufacturer did something like this . Fender guitars is a great example of this they will no longer own anything that was made after Dec 31 1964 , CBS officially took over Fender on Jan 5 1965 & now fenders are made in at least 4 different countries . Gibson is still made in USA but I can't say all the parts are . The results from deals like this usually have a up gain for the $$$ folks & a downhill trend for the employees product .
or I could be totally pounding sand on this one .
end of rant
animal
On 3/18/24 4:57 AM, chrisser via groups.io wrote:
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Charles Kinzer
10:59am? ?
It is very hard for a traditional U.S. company like Starrett, at one time existing mostly in the bubble of the U.S., to remain competitive once the manufacturing cmpetition went worldwide.
A very long time ago I got some business advice that, "If you do not obsolete yourself, somebody else will."
An example of this is Fluke which is a top-rated manufacturer of multimeters and such and are often "specified in" in large companies and government operations. (And part of their business model is to support the same models for many years so that written procedures by companies and the gov don't have to be changed.) They now have some of the meters manufactured in China. They aren't real public about this. However, they maintain VERY tight control over all steps of the manufacturing quality and the product is as sound as ever - so far as I know.
Many U.S. companies suffer from "corporate inertia" or suffer from not looking further into the future than trying to make the end of this quarter look good. I don't know the details of why this merger occurred.
I don't know what MiddleGround Capital's plans are. I know they acquired Castle Metals last year. They also acquired Banner Industries and seem to be putting the two companies together, which will probably streamline things. I suspect their plans for Starrett might be along similar lines.?
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer?
On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 10:21:18 AM PDT, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...> wrote:
Most of my mics are Starrett?
Good to know.?
Dave?
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Bruce J
10:57am? ?
Oh great…another ‘vulture capitalist’ strikes. Buy the company, load it up with debt (to you, of course) sell off anything of value, fire everybody, move on to the next one leaving an empty husk behind.
I have a handful of actual Starett tools…
More info
?https://www.reddit.com/r/Tools/comments/1bcmats/starrett_is_merging_with_a_private_equity_company/
On Mar 19, 2024, at 7:21 AM, Paul <soundguy.paul@...> wrote:
I heard about this yesterday and this makes me sad. One of th companies that I used to work for, went through a similar situation. Of the 350 employees all but 35 were “laid off“. They did not want our products or employees only the customers and name.?
RIP ? Starrett “Made in America”
--?
Bruce Johnson
The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.
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Most of my mics are Starrett?
Good to know.?
Dave?
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?chrisser 9:30am? ?
As if they weren't already going for big bucks on ebay.
Sometimes the prices on the old stuff is higher than just buying new from Starrett.
On Tuesday, March 19th, 2024 at 12:19 PM, Ralph Lehotsky <ralphlehotsky@...> wrote:
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Many Starrett products manufactured before this date will undoubtedly become more valuable.
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Paul
7:21am? ?
I heard about this yesterday and this makes me sad. One of th companies that I used to work for, went through a similar situation. Of the 350 employees all but 35 were “laid off“. They did not want our products or employees only the customers and name.?
RIP ? Starrett “Made in America”
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?chrisser Mar 18? ?
Vid dropped this morning by Mr. Pete about Starrett being acquired.
"ATHOL, MA, March 11, 2024 – The L.S. Starrett Company (“Starrett” or the “Company”) (NYSE: SCX) today announced that it has entered into a definitive merger agreement in a go-private transaction with an affiliate of MiddleGround Capital (“MiddleGround”) in an all-cash transaction for $16.19 per share."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh6gUpTyhqA
I don't know if it's necessarily as bad as the video makes it out to be. Could actually be good for the company. But it seems like tool companies don't have a history of being better after these sorts of transactions.
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Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

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They have been making very good acoustic guitars in Mexico for a very very long time; there’s a substantial home market for them.

My 2010 Jetta TDI Sportwagen was made in Mexico and it’s proven really well made; The most expensive repairs I've had done (other than fixing the cheater diesel issue, for which VW gave me back ?rd of the original cost) has been a front ball joint that was replaced prophylactically because of a torn boot on the joint probably let grit into it.

China CAN make very very good machine tools; not everything is ‘chinesium’; everything CHEAP is though, and guess what this list is about :-)

On Mar 19, 2024, at 2:22 PM, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

yep . I was with a but lookin to buy a Martin a few years back & after 2 trips to the guitar store we had them narrowed down to 5 . So we go back on the third day & he finally makes the decision which one . Gets up to the register & that's when he saw the paperwork with Made in Mexico . He didn't want one made on Mexico & I can hang with that but we went back to the " good guitar room " & he made his new decision almost purely on USA/Mexico . The one he ended up with would not have been my first choice but it is becoming a nice playable guitar , it's still learning it's tone . I still think the one from Mexico sounded a lot better to me ,? I finally quit telling him that after I said in from of his wife one day & she ripped him pretty god for that after I left . I know plenty of parents that went to Guitar Center (? which I loathe ) to buy their kid a guitar for Christmas or birthday & then find out later that the guitar was made in Japan or Mexico . Their still nice playable guitars but American see's Fender Guitars as a American company & that's what they expect when they purchase .

animal

On 3/19/24 2:10 PM, Ralph Lehotsky wrote:
A lot of Martin guitars are now made in Mexico!!
?
ralphie

--?
Bruce Johnson

The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

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yep . I was with a but lookin to buy a Martin a few years back & after 2 trips to the guitar store we had them narrowed down to 5 . So we go back on the third day & he finally makes the decision which one . Gets up to the register & that's when he saw the paperwork with Made in Mexico . He didn't want one made on Mexico & I can hang with that but we went back to the " good guitar room " & he made his new decision almost purely on USA/Mexico . The one he ended up with would not have been my first choice but it is becoming a nice playable guitar , it's still learning it's tone . I still think the one from Mexico sounded a lot better to me ,? I finally quit telling him that after I said in from of his wife one day & she ripped him pretty god for that after I left . I know plenty of parents that went to Guitar Center (? which I loathe ) to buy their kid a guitar for Christmas or birthday & then find out later that the guitar was made in Japan or Mexico . Their still nice playable guitars but American see's Fender Guitars as a American company & that's what they expect when they purchase .

animal

On 3/19/24 2:10 PM, Ralph Lehotsky wrote:

A lot of Martin guitars are now made in Mexico!!
?
ralphie
Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

A lot of Martin guitars are now made in Mexico!!
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ralphie
Re: "welding"

 

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Johannes,

What you need is an old (non-working) microwave oven, and about 6 feet (2 meters) of very heavy copper electric cable.? Remove the power transformer from the microwave and discard the rest of it.? All you need is the transformer.? There are several articles on ?“youTube” about how to make a very nice and simple low-cost spot welder from these basic materials.? As spot welders go it is a lightweight version but should work perfectly for your purposes. ?Happy welding.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bruce J
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2024 2:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] "welding"

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A spot welder would work, I think…I am assuming the 2mm here is diameter and not length :-)

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Make your own??or buy one, Harbor Freight sells their 240 V one for $160…

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On Mar 19, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Johannes <johannes@...> wrote:

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My quest is not direct to a 7x12, however, it is close to EDM??

For next Christmas I have to connect many 2 mm iron strings together, in all directions.

I can made 1 mm holes and screw or nail them together, I have done it on my protos.

Soldering is also an alternative, however, not my favorite.

The wires are in tension, so when I start soldering the second spot, the first (#¤%¤#)

?

So I am asking for advice to shop a small “welder” for 2 mm iron wire. Only 500 “welding” connections.

?

/johannes

Mexico

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PS this subject is total new for me.

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--?
Bruce Johnson

The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

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Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

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Pawn shops can be yer friend .

animal

On 3/19/24 9:30 AM, chrisser via groups.io wrote:

As if they weren't already going for big bucks on ebay.

Sometimes the prices on the old stuff is higher than just buying new from Starrett.

On Tuesday, March 19th, 2024 at 12:19 PM, Ralph Lehotsky <ralphlehotsky@...> wrote:
Many Starrett products manufactured before this date will undoubtedly become more valuable.

ralphie

Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

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The thing to keep in mind with MrPete is he is very direct & as far as I can tell I have never seen him hold back on anything which can be a good thing. He is very strong in his opinions as are many here my self included . I think his opinions come from living in a area that he has seen himself in person so many companies go over to the dark side & then dissapear . This one is a bit closer to him I think , ya can kinda see it in his eyes . I have friends that have sold/given away things that they were very proud of just because the manufacturer did something like this . Fender guitars is a great example of this they will no longer own anything that was made after Dec 31 1964 , CBS officially took over Fender on Jan 5 1965 & now fenders are made in at least 4 different countries . Gibson is still made in USA but I can't say all the parts are . The results from deals like this usually have a up gain for the $$$ folks & a downhill trend for the employees product .

or I could be totally pounding sand on this one .

end of rant

animal

On 3/18/24 4:57 AM, chrisser via groups.io wrote:

Vid dropped this morning by Mr. Pete about Starrett being acquired.

"ATHOL, MA, March 11, 2024 – The L.S. Starrett Company (“Starrett” or the “Company”) (NYSE: SCX) today announced that it has entered into a definitive merger agreement in a go-private transaction with an affiliate of MiddleGround Capital (“MiddleGround”) in an all-cash transaction for $16.19 per share."



I don't know if it's necessarily as bad as the video makes it out to be.? Could actually be good for the company.? But it seems like tool companies don't have a history of being better after these sorts of transactions.

Re: "welding"

 

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A spot welder would work, I think…I am assuming the 2mm here is diameter and not length :-)

Make your own??or buy one, Harbor Freight sells their 240 V one for $160…
?
?

On Mar 19, 2024, at 9:20 AM, Johannes <johannes@...> wrote:

?
My quest is not direct to a 7x12, however, it is close to EDM??
For next Christmas I have to connect many 2 mm iron strings together, in all directions.
I can made 1 mm holes and screw or nail them together, I have done it on my protos.
Soldering is also an alternative, however, not my favorite.
The wires are in tension, so when I start soldering the second spot, the first (#¤%¤#)
?
So I am asking for advice to shop a small “welder” for 2 mm iron wire. Only 500 “welding” connections.
?
/johannes
Mexico
?
PS this subject is total new for me.
?
?
?
?

--?
Bruce Johnson

The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

It is very hard for a traditional U.S. company like Starrett, at one time existing mostly in the bubble of the U.S., to remain competitive once the manufacturing cmpetition went worldwide.

A very long time ago I got some business advice that, "If you do not obsolete yourself, somebody else will."

An example of this is Fluke which is a top-rated manufacturer of multimeters and such and are often "specified in" in large companies and government operations.? (And part of their business model is to support the same models for many years so that written procedures by companies and the gov don't have to be changed.)? They now have some of the meters manufactured in China.? They aren't real public about this.? However, they maintain VERY tight control over all steps of the manufacturing quality and the product is as sound as ever - so far as I know.

Many U.S. companies suffer from "corporate inertia" or suffer from not looking further into the future than trying to make the end of this quarter look good.? I don't know the details of why this merger occurred.

I don't know what MiddleGround Capital's plans are.? I know they acquired Castle Metals last year.? They also acquired Banner Industries and seem to be putting the two companies together, which will probably streamline things.? I suspect their plans for Starrett might be along similar lines.?

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer?

On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 at 10:21:18 AM PDT, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...> wrote:


Most of my mics are Starrett?
Good to know.?

Dave?

?Ralph Lehotsky 9:19am? ?
Many Starrett products manufactured before this date will undoubtedly become more valuable
Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

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Oh great…another ‘vulture capitalist’ strikes. Buy the company, load it up with debt (to you, of course) sell off anything of value, fire everybody, move on to the next one leaving an empty husk behind.

I have a handful of actual Starett tools…

More info

?


On Mar 19, 2024, at 7:21 AM, Paul <soundguy.paul@...> wrote:

I heard about this yesterday and this makes me sad. One of th companies that I used to work for, went through a similar situation. Of the 350 employees all but 35 were “laid off“. They did not want our products or employees only the customers and name.?


RIP ? Starrett “Made in America”


--?
Bruce Johnson

The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

Most of my mics are Starrett?
Good to know.?

Dave?

?Ralph Lehotsky 9:19am? ?
Many Starrett products manufactured before this date will undoubtedly become more valuable
Re: "welding"

 
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Johannes 9:20am? ?
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My quest is not direct to a 7x12, however, it is close to EDM ?
For next Christmas I have to connect many 2 mm iron strings together, in all directions

1) If you using EDM to remove tap you broke in the mini lathe it is related.?

2) Now if doing machine using EDM and not using a mini lathe it is not related?

I only want to tap removal that mini lathe broke

Dave
Re: "welding"

 

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Thanks Chris

Lot of nice things there in Ebay.

Problem is minimum 9 pages to chose from.

I think I will chose something over USD50.

/johannes

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From: chrisser via groups.io
Sent: tysdag 19. mars 2024 10:37
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] "welding"

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Could you use one of those welders made for welding wires onto Lithinum Ion cells?

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Search for "battery spot welder" on ebay or wherever

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On Tuesday, March 19th, 2024 at 12:20 PM, Johannes <johannes@...> wrote:

?

My quest is not direct to a 7x12, however, it is close to EDM ?

For next Christmas I have to connect many 2 mm iron strings together, in all directions.

I can made 1 mm holes and screw or nail them together, I have done it on my protos.

Soldering is also an alternative, however, not my favorite.

The wires are in tension, so when I start soldering the second spot, the first (#¤%¤#)

?

So I am asking for advice to shop a small “welder” for 2 mm iron wire. Only 500 “welding” connections.

?

/johannes

Mexico

?

PS this subject is total new for me.

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Re: "welding"

 

Could you use one of those welders made for welding wires onto Lithinum Ion cells?

Search for "battery spot welder" on ebay or wherever

On Tuesday, March 19th, 2024 at 12:20 PM, Johannes <johannes@...> wrote:

?

My quest is not direct to a 7x12, however, it is close to EDM ?

For next Christmas I have to connect many 2 mm iron strings together, in all directions.

I can made 1 mm holes and screw or nail them together, I have done it on my protos.

Soldering is also an alternative, however, not my favorite.

The wires are in tension, so when I start soldering the second spot, the first (#¤%¤#)

?

So I am asking for advice to shop a small “welder” for 2 mm iron wire. Only 500 “welding” connections.

?

/johannes

Mexico

?

PS this subject is total new for me.

?

?

?

?
Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

As if they weren't already going for big bucks on ebay.

Sometimes the prices on the old stuff is higher than just buying new from Starrett.

On Tuesday, March 19th, 2024 at 12:19 PM, Ralph Lehotsky <ralphlehotsky@...> wrote:

Many Starrett products manufactured before this date will undoubtedly become more valuable.

ralphie

"welding"

 

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?

My quest is not direct to a 7x12, however, it is close to EDM ?

For next Christmas I have to connect many 2 mm iron strings together, in all directions.

I can made 1 mm holes and screw or nail them together, I have done it on my protos.

Soldering is also an alternative, however, not my favorite.

The wires are in tension, so when I start soldering the second spot, the first (#¤%¤#)

?

So I am asking for advice to shop a small “welder” for 2 mm iron wire. Only 500 “welding” connections.

?

/johannes

Mexico

?

PS this subject is total new for me.

?

?

?

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Re: Starrett merger/acquisition

 

Many Starrett products manufactured before this date will undoubtedly become more valuable.

ralphie
Re: Using nitric acid to remove broken taps or drills from aluminum

 

Peter Way
8:37am? ?
There are great EDM videos on YouTube. The circuit is simple
All I want EDM is for removing small taps that broke in the mini lathe.

I have seen simple manufacturer machines the using tap water just for removal of taps

Dave?
Re: An EDM for Tap removal

 

EDM maybe very old aka { Electrical discharge machining spark erosion }
The erosive effect of electrical discharges was first noted in 1770 by English physicist Joseph Priestley.

EDM was for machining around the 1940's . Before the 1940's they used sand / grit and ground down the part.??

I do not know about tap removal the first ad I found was in 1950's. It is downloaded section.??

Dave?


Craig Hopewell
6:51am? ?
Good stuff.
There is a huge amount of technology out there.
I'm still in the age of simple machining and napkin design. No edm, CAD, mill power feed, CNC, etc. 8^)
Re: Using nitric acid to remove broken taps or drills from aluminum

 

There are great EDM videos on YouTube.? The circuit is simple.?

People are making machines out of 3D printers.? ?It seems to be 10% EDM process, 90% Not killing yourself.? ?If you work hard enough, you can get that pesky tap out and have a fabulous machining rig.
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